HELP! Are they that bad??

[Locky]

Hi all,

1st post here but been floating around Hilux forums for sometime. I hate to join new forums and firing off questions but I'm really stuck for answers!

Could the wise folk on this forum shed some light on the following:

1. Is the new VDJ79 posing many problems? I refer specifically to the DPF. I see so many 2015+ Hilux with smoke blowing out. I don't want to be that guy. We're looking at the 79 as a Big Lap tourer - we need reliable! The second part of this question is, are people successfully removing the dpf with tunes, chips etc??(yes I know they are illegal to remove) Can it be done and can the vehicle be considered as reliable as a pre DPF model without the Dpf???

2. I see Roo Systems on YouTube manage to keep EGTs down with their flash and exhaust from DPF back. I assume this would preserve engine life similar to having no DPF?

3. EGR blanking, can it be done?

4. Best price - I've been quotes is $71,500 with alloy tray ,2018 model.Del in Brisbane. Anyone done better on late models?

My alternative is to look at petrol alternativesalt modern diesel tech is starting to really put me off. I love the benefits of diesel but emissions regs really are killing the fun!

I know this is a big post but would love you guys to share your knowledge!
Cheers,

Locky

 

[Chris Boorer]

I love my 79 goes very well stock drives like a dream a bit too much wind noise but i find it very comfortable to drive once i get use to the gearing i have had it for 6000 and best decision i made to purchase it

 

[pyemaster]

G'day mate,

I know it takes people buying Toyota trucks new for them to trickle down into the affordable second hand market, but $70k? Jeez.

With Toyota's proven reliability over time, why not buy a perfectly robust 20-year-old Toyota truck running older diesel tech for $15-20k and save yourself $50k to explore with?

That's what I'd do, but hey, your money, best of luck in whatever you choose to do. Oh, and welcome

Owen

 

[StarCruiser]

Owen makes a good point there Locky. The most popular trucks for overlanding seem to be those with least electronic bits and most mechanical easy repair stuff.

 

[Shayne]

If i was going to spend that kind of money on a vehicle i'd be thinking Chip Foose Overhaulin' and maybe something like this https://www.streetmachine.com.au/features/1803/turbo-ls-powered-toyota-fj45-landcruiser

 

[tonytoyota]

Hi Shayne that is one coollooking 45 I love one of them cruiser thanks for the pics.

 

[Richard Turner]

On short journeys or with a lot of idling the DPF gives problems normally, on our fleet of courier vans and lorries we have not had any DPF problems, but they are doing longer high speed runs. Also causes problems if the engine is turned off during regeneration. The regeneration is what causes the smoke as the engine is overfuelled to raise the DPF temperature and burn away the carbon.

It is possible that you could get a DPF problem and the engine would derate to a lower power, but unlikely, there are many systems on a modern diesel that could fail and cause a derate. The reliability advantage of a new vehicle would certainly outweigh the risk of emissions faults though.

It would be worth carrying a cheap laptop with software that could interrogate the engine computer and could do a forced regen, or identify which component is causing the dreaded orange light!

On 4Xoverland on YouTube he is using a new troop carrier with DPF, on his canning stock route trip he mentions that the DPF is working well and regenerating properly.

It sounds like a fantastic adventure you are planning, and to do it in a new land cruiser would be great as well!

 

[Locky]

Thanks guys. Really appreciate the input.

I have certainly looked hard at some of the older rigs and wagons bit I keep coming back to the dual cab. I feel a dual cab is our best option at the moment with 3 kids. We need the tray space. Unfortunately the dual cab cruiser didn't come out until later in the piece. I've looked at chopping a wagon. This is a viable option but darn pricey. I suppose a 2005+2014 Hilux is an option but they just don't tow like an 8 cylinder. I also worry about chassis strength in the smaller trucks.

I'm glad to hear 4x Overland isn't having trouble with the DPF in his troopy but I'm still curious into engine longevity. Aren't the EGTs going to wear this engine down faster? What I' could I expect out of the modern engine? 500,000km if looked after?

Trust me I know that $70k is a lot of money. I need to save hard but if I can expect a long life 20yrs + out of the engine, I'd be happy. What do you think?


Still wondering if anyone has successfully deleted the DPF and egr out of these things.

 

[Julian T]

I seem to recall that the All 4 adventure crew on YT run the same vehicles, engines and they have extensively modified them, they might have even done the deletes you are asking about.
It does mean you will have to watch their videos and find where they mention what they have done to the trucks but hey, who needs an excuse to watch out back 4x4ing videos?

Not to mention Ronny Dahl, sorry I know this is not the answer you are looking for but being old school and driving a old school vehicle and having a severe dislike of ECU's and sensors I do not know much about these modern engines, besides the fact that I dislike too much electronic wizardry.

 

[Locky]

I seem to recall that the All 4 adventure crew on YT run the same vehicles, engines and they have extensively modified them, they might have even done the deletes you are asking about.
It does mean you will have to watch their videos and find where they mention what they have done to the trucks but hey, who needs an excuse to watch out back 4x4ing videos?

Not to mention Ronny Dahl, sorry I know this is not the answer you are looking for but being old school and driving a old school vehicle and having a severe dislike of ECU's and sensors I do not know much about these modern engines, besides the fact that I dislike too much electronic wizardry.

I'll be straight onto their videos and see what they're upto. Thank goodness I'm in no rush to buy. Got to make sure it is the right rig for our needs. I appreciate the input.

 

[fbnss]

It was brought up in a Ronny Dahl video not long ago, maybe in the last ten? Think they said fit a decent catch can.

 

[Locky]

It was brought up in a Ronny Dahl video not long ago, maybe in the last ten? Think they said fit a decent catch can.

I did see that episode. I think I'll keep doing my homework and see what I come up with. As mentioned $70k is a hell of a lot of money. I can almost but 2x Hilux for that. Perhaps it is for GodG reason but I prefer to think it is Toyota utilising their marketing skills.

Can anyone is Brisbane recommend a LandCruiser specialist? I think a phone call to then could help. In the meantime I'll continue driving the old faithful Hilux (ln167).

 

[ChrisN]

Hi Locky. I bought my 2010 VDJ79 with 200,000 km with the intention of getting at least 10 years out of it. I don’t think I’ll be disappointed. Have a chat with the guys at Berrima Diesel. They have lots of experience with this engine, and they have a series of YouTube videos that talk about the things you need to do to keep one healthy.

 

[Locky]

Hi Locky. I bought my 2010 VDJ79 with 200,000 km with the intention of getting at least 10 years out of it. I don’t think I’ll be disappointed. Have a chat with the guys at Berrima Diesel. They have lots of experience with this engine, and they have a series of YouTube videos that talk about the things you need to do to keep one healthy.

Cheers Chris, so much to think about especially when parting with so much cash! I'm really tossing Up between a hilux and cruiser. I know I could save a fair amount of cash and jump in a 76 but then I miss out on the tray. For be, longevity is a big thing. I'll call around and see what people think and keep doing my research. Thankfully I'm not in a rush. My big Lao is years off but I want to start the ball moving.

 

[ChrisN]

Cheers Chris, so much to think about especially when parting with so much cash! I'm really tossing Up between a hilux and cruiser. I know I could save a fair amount of cash and jump in a 76 but then I miss out on the tray. For be, longevity is a big thing. I'll call around and see what people think and keep doing my research. Thankfully I'm not in a rush. My big Lao is years off but I want to start the ball moving.

Yep. Good to not be in a hurry. But check out the load carrying capacity of the 76. If I can believe the specs on Carsales, the load carrying capacity is only 865 kg. That includes the passengers! Add a bullbar, drawers and a auxiliary battery and you're pretty close to exceeding the legal GVM, and having to shell out for a GVM upgrade. And it’s just as bad with the Hilux. If you can find a LC 79 that already has the GVM upgrade you’ll save a few thousand that you’ll otherwise have to spend later.

 

[Locky]

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Yep. Good to not be in a hurry. But check out the load carrying capacity of the 76. If I can believe the specs on Carsales, the load carrying capacity is only 865 kg. That includes the passengers! Add a bullbar, drawers and a auxiliary battery and your pretty close to exceeding the legal GVM, and having to shell out for a GVM upgrade. And it’s just as bad with the Hilux. If you can find a LC 79 that already has the GVM upgrade you’ll save a few thousand that you’ll otherwise have to spend later.

That is why I came here. Valid point. Going to look into this more. I would miss the ute too much but thought a wagon was a good compromise. That is bigger all GVM on the wagon. I'm really surprised.

 

[PedroAraujo]

I have done quite a lot of research on the 1VD-FTV engines before I bought mine, they do consider fitting a catch can on the crank case breather which does help with removing oil from the cooler and gumming up the EGR valve so would be a starting point.

Also consider fitting a 2 micron secondary fuel filter as the standard Toyota is 10 micron, too big in my opinion. I have fitted the 2" cross over pipe and replaced the snorkel, which has given this motor much better breathing, better response even without tuning.

You can find these on you tube, worth a look and not difficult to fit,with the exception of the cross over pipe.

 

[Darren gxl]

I personally wouldn’t buy another Toyota with dpf until they’ve sorted the issues.
I’ve just traded in my 2016 hilux sr5 with 70000kms for a 2010 lc76 gxl.

I had 3 dpfs replaced in 70000 kms and just under 2 years. All under warranty, but it got me thinking / worrying about what other issues were going to occur once out of warranty. I decided the 76 would be a safer bet considering the kms I do each week.

I tow a trailer 5 days per week and I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the fuel economy. 12.3 ltrs per 100km.