Thanks guys, I really couldn't have known all the stuff that would happen here. Sheet of metal, cut round, drill some holes, coat it and send it. Right. Well that went tits up. I do know the ins and outs now and I have to say that the chap making these could easily have thrown the towel in and just said 'game over' and we'd have been stuffed. But he really has done incredible things to rescue his finances - basically a massive order went South on him and left him with a huge pile of bills. So well done him I guess. So hopefully next week we'll all be smiling.