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LJ70 Build Thread!

You sure you want an internal cage? They take up a fair bit of space and do nothing to stop you needing a new roof if you did the same again, just stop you getting squashed :whistle: If you do put a cage in, put some proper padding on the bar work that's anywhere near your head, not pipe lagging :shifty: I had some fancy stuff from Safety Devices on mine.
 
Glad you made it out alive Ben, how many lives have you got left now?
 
glad to see your ok but are you aloud to cut and weld the b and c pillers thats the main part of the vehicles strength. you would be better swapping the body:shifty:

Well im not going to cut or weld within 30cm of any seat belt mounting points, and all the points where i will cut and weld will be where Toyota did the joins.

On a monocoque car then I would be a bit more concerned but with the cruiser having a separate chassis, it should be OK.

You sure you want an internal cage? They take up a fair bit of space and do nothing to stop you needing a new roof if you did the same again, just stop you getting squashed :whistle: If you do put a cage in, put some proper padding on the bar work that's anywhere near your head, not pipe lagging :shifty: I had some fancy stuff from Safety Devices on mine.

Well what I was thinking John is that if I was to go over again, after welding a new roof on, it might not be as strong second time round. :think:

So I thought by adding a cage it might make me feel a little more comfortable knowing that if it goes again, and my welds all fail im not going to turned into a pancake (as quickly/easily). :lol:

I know Roothy has got a cage in milo and it doesnt appear to take up too much room. :think:

Good point about the padding, something I hadnt thought of and probably would have gone down the pipe lagging route. :thumbup:

Glad you made it out alive Ben, how many lives have you got left now?

Thanks Rob. :icon-biggrin:

I was thinking on the way back from laning, how many times in my life have I come reasonably close to getting killed. :think:

-3-4 fell off a climbing frame landed on my head, lots of blood. needed a few stitches.

-4-5 fell off a wall, no stitches this time but bad concussion.

-10-11 carrying a full sheet of ply up a tree whilst building a tree house. fell and got a branch through my leg next to my knee to the bone. 12 stitches and left with a nice big scar.

-11-12 hit by a car whilst riding my bicycle, broke my arm in 3 places.

-16 rode my 50cc scooter through a barbwire fence doing about 40mph, 6ft drop the other side to a road.

-17 clipped a kerb whilst doing 70mph on my DT125cc trailbike. Luckily landed and rolled down a grass verge. The bike flipped and cartwheeled about 6 times.

-17 my mate went through a hedge in an old VW, rolled 3 times and went through 2 hedges.

-18 went through a hedge in my first car doing about 40mph. luckily no big trees or could have been quite nasty.

-19 came up behind a Bentley continental and realised my brakes wernt working. tried to steer into/through the hedge, but that turned out to have a wall at the bottom. hit that and rolled a couple of times.

So with this latest incident that makes 10. :oops:
 
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How about one of those external cages like the landrover guys have? Protect both you and the body in a role over and take up no extra space in the car.
 
Ben, amazing luck - just glad you're ok - keep on giving it 100%.

BTW if you do put an external cage on, please be aware (& I'm sure you've already taken it into account) of the added mass way above the c of g. Many years ago, I used to play with green oval stuff at Eastnor & I recall one of the lads wanting a serious cage on his 80" trialer 'cos he was worried about rolling it as he became more competitive. He got Malvern Aerospace to build him one in 4" tubing... unfortunately, it was so big & heavy & he'd raised the c of g by such an amount that he ended up using his cage & harness on every outing; it was so unstable it was unusable - except as entertainment for spectators - the cage never moved, though (till he chopped it off & started again)!

Even knowing this, I agree with warrenpfo, an external cage would look brilliant & be easier to secure to chassis / avoid big leaky holes in the shell (could follow Aus design & build in wing protection connected to front bumper too).
 
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Well what I was thinking John is that if I was to go over again, after welding a new roof on, it might not be as strong second time round. :think:
Just do a good job of the welding, or get someone else to do it then, MUCH easier than doing a cage and getting it right. You don't want to get it wrong or it could be more dangerous than not having one. I think the trickiest part of an internal cage is getting the front legs down to the floor in a way that is both strong and not in your way too much. Some of the legs I've seen in pictures on the net have dash shaped almost S bends in them for convenience and in reality I'm sure they are weak and will fold when stressed and if you're lucky they'll just fold in a way that obstructs the door and not your legs... Keeping the front legs straight means either they get in the way a bit or cutting holes in the dash usually. An external cage usually makes the truck a lot bigger and liable to need a lie down more often. I have thought a lot about 4x4 roll cages :shifty: I don't think I'd bother again, but if I did I'd have a mix of internal and external - external up the A pillars and along the length of the roof joined to internal hoops through the roof.
 
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I want to fit an internal roll cage, and as people have suggested 4 point harness's. :icon-smile:
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I guess with the roof removed, would be the easy time to install a fully welded cage ?

Gra.
 
If your so set on a cage Ben why not have it half Exo and a half internal roll cage with the Exo one bolted through the roof to the internal one like Dave did on his first truck K9-RDJ :icon-smile:

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You could then even turn the roof section of the of the Exo cage into a handy roof basket :icon-smile:

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Larger & more photos here http://www.bits4vits.co.uk/store/index.php?_a=viewBlog&blogId=23 :icon-smile:
 
I want to see some real pictures,
Upside down one's like Ben posted.
How to know if the cage is strong enough if you never test it?

Gra.
 
"So I thought by adding a cage it might make me feel a little more comfortable knowing that if it goes again, and my welds all fail im not going to turned into a pancake (as quickly/easily). :lol:"

With your fabrication skills Ben, I would think the strongest part of your repair would be at the welds. I wouldn't imagine it to be weaker after the repair, if anything it would be stronger.
 
Thanks guys. :thumbup:

Think I need to give the cage idea a bit more thought. :think:

Some good points and ideas raised though. :clap:

Ben that's amazing. I want to know more about the scooter through the barb wire!

Thanks Jonnie. :icon-smile:

The scooter story.......................................

10 years ago my good mate Mike (he came to Lincomb in his hi-lux) and I were riding our bikes on an old WW2 air field near me.

He was on his Honda CG125 field bike and I was on my 50cc road legal scooter.

The air field is a very big flat field. We were riding around it in the dark and id forgotten quite how far it was to the boundary hedge/fence where we rode in off the road.

We were riding towards it doing 40-50mph, and I wrongly thought we were a long way off it. :oops:

Next minute I hit it square on snapping 3 strands of barbwire and go right through, and landed in the middle of the road the other side.

I came off mid air and landed on my arse.

I can still remember how much it hurt. He was like "are you ok man?"

And I was like just give me a few minutes. You know when your in so much pain you just cant speak and need a few minutes, it was like that. :(

No serious damage to the bike though amazingly, or me.
 
Heres a video of the last ford of the weekend. :icon-cool:

It wasnt too deep but the current was a bit too strong. :oops:



No surprise the others decided not to do it after seeing me cross it. :lol:

I actually got halfway across and thought shit, maybe ive made a mistake trying to cross this today. :?

And one more video of the guys winching my cruiser back onto its wheels. :icon-cool:

Apologies for the swearing. :oops:

Interestingly one of the guys is heard saying "You wont be going anywhere in that mate!" :icon-surprised:

Clearly doesn't know me very well. :lol:

 
The ford is a nice one, if you can still see the grass in the middle it is ok ;). Even I would not try it when the grass is under water.

You need to ask Keith Suttleworth about when I did the "car wash" in the dark!!
 
Bloody hell you've had an interesting week! :shock:

Interestingly one of the guys is heard saying "You wont be going anywhere in that mate!" :icon-surprised:

Clearly doesn't know me very well. :lol:

I'm amazed at just how quickly you appear to have recovered the situation and continued on... :clap:

Looking forward to the continuation of your build thread!
 
The ford is a nice one, if you can still see the grass in the middle it is ok ;). Even I would not try it when the grass is under water.

You need to ask Keith Suttleworth about when I did the "car wash" in the dark!!

Might be a bit better in an 80 with it being heavier. :think:

Your insane doing the carwash in the dark when im guessing it was deep and fast flowing. :wtf:


Bloody hell you've had an interesting week! :shock:



I'm amazed at just how quickly you appear to have recovered the situation and continued on... :clap:

Looking forward to the continuation of your build thread!

Thanks Justin. :icon-smile:

Im hoping I've found the replacement roof. Just need to finalise a few things. :dance:
 
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