silvercruiser
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Im with you Chris, i have never had a good experience with Yodel. i have had good experience with UPS and Hermes. I hope you get your bearing tomorrow.
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Project 80: Codename Grey Ghost
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Yeah I know. Without a LC that needs work I generally dont have much to add these days..... perhaps I should buy a 80 to spend my time on....
Well what a day. Bearing arrived after lunch. I figured I'd go an do what I could. I have been muttering f****g Yodel in my sleep and grinding my teeth again.
Got up to the unit about 13.00 to heaps of snow. Fitted the bearing (properly) and got the gearbox on the jack under the truck. My mate was in hos unit next door and had offered to lend a hand. I had dropped the back of the engine as much as I dared to give us a good angle. We pushed it up as far as we could on the jack and I suggested we gave it all four hands, a big grunt, slight twist and a push. 1 2 3 and bugger me it went straight on. Right onto the dowels in one. less than a minute I kid you not. Epic. Bolts went straight in. By half four, I had the gearbox bolted up, the cross member in, ARM back on, transfer box on, rear prop on some of the connections. Just starter, front prop, battery and diff locks to connect, fill with oil and bash plate back on in the morning and I am done. I have almost caught up. And the clutch feels great.
I decided to just go for it with the T box. I put it next to me, rolled over, gave it a kiss, held it to my chest, rolled onto my back and bench pressed it straight up and on in one. I am as thrilled as a person who is really thrilled. Other than the wait for the release bearing, this has truly gone without a hitch. I wouldn't do another I don't think, not on the ground, but at least I can say I have done it. Now it's fingers crossed in the hope it's a good gearbox. Bit of fiddling to refit the sticks and console tray but once that's done I shall be mobile again.
Got up to the unit about 13.00 to heaps of snow. Fitted the bearing (properly) and got the gearbox on the jack under the truck. My mate was in hos unit next door and had offered to lend a hand. I had dropped the back of the engine as much as I dared to give us a good angle. We pushed it up as far as we could on the jack and I suggested we gave it all four hands, a big grunt, slight twist and a push. 1 2 3 and bugger me it went straight on. Right onto the dowels in one. less than a minute I kid you not. Epic. Bolts went straight in. By half four, I had the gearbox bolted up, the cross member in, ARM back on, transfer box on, rear prop on some of the connections. Just starter, front prop, battery and diff locks to connect, fill with oil and bash plate back on in the morning and I am done. I have almost caught up. And the clutch feels great.
I decided to just go for it with the T box. I put it next to me, rolled over, gave it a kiss, held it to my chest, rolled onto my back and bench pressed it straight up and on in one. I am as thrilled as a person who is really thrilled. Other than the wait for the release bearing, this has truly gone without a hitch. I wouldn't do another I don't think, not on the ground, but at least I can say I have done it. Now it's fingers crossed in the hope it's a good gearbox. Bit of fiddling to refit the sticks and console tray but once that's done I shall be mobile again.
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Well done! Great result ... And no hernia either 
That's just great Chris, I was expecting a long tale of woe, splines not aligning, off centre clutch fouling the primary shaft alignment with the flywheel idle bearing, all these difficulties are not uncommon, as you'll well know.
Did you use a clutch alignment tool? In my youth (sorry, in Derbyshire it's "yoth" I believe
) I used to collect the primary shafts from scrap gearboxes for common models, they make better alignment tools than the multi sets that you can buy.
I've also done some heavy ones in my time, a triumph 2000 with the overdrive unit still attached, that one knocked the wind out of me when I dropped it onto my chest, working alone outside in the winter, lying on a plastic sheet..., those were the days
Well done matey
you must be well chuffed!
Did you use a clutch alignment tool? In my youth (sorry, in Derbyshire it's "yoth" I believe
) I used to collect the primary shafts from scrap gearboxes for common models, they make better alignment tools than the multi sets that you can buy.I've also done some heavy ones in my time, a triumph 2000 with the overdrive unit still attached, that one knocked the wind out of me when I dropped it onto my chest, working alone outside in the winter, lying on a plastic sheet..., those were the days
Well done matey
you must be well chuffed!
Thanks Clive, but if you read back, I didn't actually take the clutch out. I just changed the gear box and release bearing. The pilot bearing and cover, plus the plate of course just stayed in place. You only need to line the plate up if you take the pressure plate off. Yoof.
Bugger damn, read back, must remember to read back, note to self...
Well no wonder it went on so easily then....
(runs and hides)
Good job anyways, Yoof.
Lady luck not only smiled Clive but she lifted her skirts for me too. Bloke next door does Suzukis all day long and even he was stunned at how easy it went on. I know from experience you can be hours at this. Wiggling and jiggling. I did make sure that all the dowels were in and that they fitted both halves of the hole as it were. I took the bell housing on its own and practised the turn to get it up into the tunnel too. I cleaned off the splines and made sure that they were in good order as well as a tiny smear of grease on the tip of the shaft where it goes into the pilot bearing. When I stripped the fork and release bearing it was apparent that there was not a single speck of grease in the mech. None on the shaft, none on the bearing, non on the fork pivot nor on the fork tips where they sit under the bearing clip. The pivot retaining spring was bent out of shape too and needed a little re manufacturing. Once it was up and the slave cylinder connected, I gave it all a wiggle There was no play at all in the fork. I am pretty sure that it was this jingling that I could hear. Interesting that the Toyota bearing that came was identical to the one that came out. It isn't made by Toyota of course. But Valeo must be decent if they use OEM release bearings. I could not detect any difference in the new one to the old one in terms of feel, slop etc.
It's a great feeling when you tidy up latent niggly rattles an jangles. Amazing what a bit of grease will do. I got disolusioned with copper grease, it's supposed to still lube when the "grease" in it evaporates, but it was my experience that it used to just bind things up. Maybe it's better made these days, but I won't be using it again.
I put it on a release bearing sliding sleeve once (can't remember the car now, but the fork operated the release bearing which was attached to a tube sliding on the primary shaft, funny idea) It was a real pain, binding and juddering, ended up having to fetch it all off again.
Dont use copper grease....
I put it on a release bearing sliding sleeve once (can't remember the car now, but the fork operated the release bearing which was attached to a tube sliding on the primary shaft, funny idea) It was a real pain, binding and juddering, ended up having to fetch it all off again.
Dont use copper grease....
My wheels are turning again, so what's the outcome?
Well, to start with it's a joy to change gear. Rolling to a roundabout, it slots into second every time, even first. Up and down the box is just click, click, click. Very good.
Some noises have gone. Some noises are still there and yep you guessed it, there are some new noises too. I think the clutch could do with a bleed through. The pedal feels spot on but it's the sensible thing to do really just to push out any crap.
I need to do more testing but it did sound like it was noisy on over run in 4th, but with all the snow and slush about it's hard to really get a decent test drive.
Now here's a leading question. Do you think that not having a centre viscous coupling could contribute to some of the noise I am getting? When the front prop is off but the back one held by the rear wheels, I can almost spin the front flange. Would the VC actually serve to dampen some of that? The noises I am geting are not from the diffs. I have had plenty of that thank you. This sounds more a like a lorry. There is a good deal of what I'd call back lash in the T box (when you turn the flange carefully back and forth like opening a safe) and when are on and off the power and such like, I just wonder if a good deal of that goes back into the transfer gears. It's done 217k miles after all. I get a sort of GrrrrrWrrrrr when I pull away at low speed. And the noise hasn't changed one bit since putting in the new gearbox. Maybe a thicker / thinner oil might make a difference. I have to try it later perhaps with the CDL in and see if there is any variation at all.
At least that infernal chirruping seems to have gone. The main thing is that in 5th at 70 it's pretty quiet and given that's cruising speed I am happy. With a ramp and stands, this is something I'd do again but frankly lying on you back even inside takes so much longer. Just getting up to go and get tools etc.
I've done a few jobs along the way like replace the exhaust down pipe studs. They came out like wobbly teeth. Dreadful. But the threads needed restoring before I could get the new ones in which was a delicate job. Last thing I needed was to cross thread that.
Not sure what to do tomorrow.
Well, to start with it's a joy to change gear. Rolling to a roundabout, it slots into second every time, even first. Up and down the box is just click, click, click. Very good.
Some noises have gone. Some noises are still there and yep you guessed it, there are some new noises too. I think the clutch could do with a bleed through. The pedal feels spot on but it's the sensible thing to do really just to push out any crap.
I need to do more testing but it did sound like it was noisy on over run in 4th, but with all the snow and slush about it's hard to really get a decent test drive.
Now here's a leading question. Do you think that not having a centre viscous coupling could contribute to some of the noise I am getting? When the front prop is off but the back one held by the rear wheels, I can almost spin the front flange. Would the VC actually serve to dampen some of that? The noises I am geting are not from the diffs. I have had plenty of that thank you. This sounds more a like a lorry. There is a good deal of what I'd call back lash in the T box (when you turn the flange carefully back and forth like opening a safe) and when are on and off the power and such like, I just wonder if a good deal of that goes back into the transfer gears. It's done 217k miles after all. I get a sort of GrrrrrWrrrrr when I pull away at low speed. And the noise hasn't changed one bit since putting in the new gearbox. Maybe a thicker / thinner oil might make a difference. I have to try it later perhaps with the CDL in and see if there is any variation at all.
At least that infernal chirruping seems to have gone. The main thing is that in 5th at 70 it's pretty quiet and given that's cruising speed I am happy. With a ramp and stands, this is something I'd do again but frankly lying on you back even inside takes so much longer. Just getting up to go and get tools etc.
I've done a few jobs along the way like replace the exhaust down pipe studs. They came out like wobbly teeth. Dreadful. But the threads needed restoring before I could get the new ones in which was a delicate job. Last thing I needed was to cross thread that.
Not sure what to do tomorrow.
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Not sure what to do tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
Just enjoy it.
Sounds like a good job you've done there Chris (as usual)
Just enjoy it.
Sounds like a good job you've done there Chris (as usual)
This is hard earned annual leave lads. I can't just sit around. I've lost a day already. I know how much a week's leave is worth as I have just had to pay for an extra one for the trip to Romania. I'll drink whisky at the weekend.
Still got stuff to do. The green one needs the AC recharging, I need toget to the dentist, also need a haircut, wanted to see about a stainless system, should have been to Scotland, sort a new roof rack ... I have lists. In fact I have lists OF lists!!!
Still got stuff to do. The green one needs the AC recharging, I need toget to the dentist, also need a haircut, wanted to see about a stainless system, should have been to Scotland, sort a new roof rack ... I have lists. In fact I have lists OF lists!!!
