Absolutely Chadr.
I just think prolonging it into a proxy war is a folly. Sure countries have ping ponged between different custodians over the centuries.
Ukraine has been Polish/Austrian/Russian/Ottoman at no point has it ever had anything to do with us bar our little jaunt in the Crimea.
The idea of self determination is a decent enough ideal that's not the issue. It's hypocrisy in which those interventions are applied that galls me more than anything.
"We" face just about the most difficult economic times since the great depression and i just don't favour squandering our much needed financial resources on something that is not our business at all.
Bismark said the Balkans weren't worth the life of a single Pomeranian grenadier, that's exactly how i feel about Ukraine it's not worth a penny of our much needed money or the life of a single soldier.
Our armaments should be entirely defensive and not sold or exported to anyone, because as someone said they only end up being pointed at us down the road.
This is a mainland Europe issue and if the Germans, Poles or French are feeling a bit shaky about an advance on Berlin, Paris or Warsaw, let them sort it out. They're big boys and Uncle Sam is in there with them this time instead of showing up late to the party.
We have squandered countless billions and numerous lives trying unseat despots we ourselves installed, or opposing isms that are never going to stand the test of time.
We constantly back the bad guys when it suits us, we should sit this one out.
Everyone wants an I phone, some Levis and a duck-billed girlfriend even if they don't, now they'll all eventually want one or get one anyway.
Putin's greatest mistake was he didn't knock a couple of domes off St Basil's and leave a couple of Ukrainian passports in the rubble