250 series on the road?

[Rob Cowell]

State of that interior for 70/100 grand Even my LC3 120 has some nice fake veneer in a few subtle strips.

 

[Juddian]

Some mark up over list 20%. Add on top the dealer discount and it's a decent days work

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Don't look as impressive on a miserable day in the North East as they do in the southern States sun.

I saw that elsewhere, dear Lord what were Toyota thinking.
When you compare to the current 4Runner as sold in huge numbers in the USA the 250 is a gopping eyesore.
Looking at that one for sale, yes in a typically wet miserable Britain, the colour is awful, the wheels look like they've been refurbed the wrong colour (its not a white Jaguar with black wheels which itself looks awful) the black rear bumper and wheelarch protectors remind of base model Sierra/Escorts which came with unpainted bumpers, but the pièce de résistance are those rear light clusters, which accessory shop did they find those in and who gave the go ahead to just glue them on the back.
I had great hopes for this model, but when compared to a 70 series even it looks just wrong from so many angles, all previous Prado sized models look better to me.

 

[AndycruiserguyLomas]

Well its gone now.

 

[Towpack]

The front looks very new Defender.

 

[Raj]

I heard there is only 3000 to be appropriated for the whole of Europe, that's going to spread them pretty thin on the ground. If I'd got £80k to spend it would be a 250 over a Defender or an Inios even though the Defender with the 6 cyl engine is going to be smoother, give a better ride and be better appointed. This would be purely down to it's rarity value.

Look at the "200" syndrome, dynamically inferior to a RR in most ways, really quite rare and yet seem to hold tremendous residuals. We'll see what happens with the 250.

We could have a competition, " Who sees the first and where?"

Did I hear 200 inferior to RR I spent almost 4 years thinking between both these and decided for Land cruiser as I felt it’s better than RR in many ways. Am I living in a fantasy world thinking 200 is better than RR at 10 years, 15 years, 20 years of ownership

A real world experience- A friend of mine takes my 200 if he want to go on long Holliday or long distances with family as he can’t trust his RR.

 

[MGC]

I saw that elsewhere, dear Lord what were Toyota thinking.
When you compare to the current 4Runner as sold in huge numbers in the USA the 250 is a gopping eyesore.
Looking at that one for sale, yes in a typically wet miserable Britain, the colour is awful, the wheels look like they've been refurbed the wrong colour (its not a white Jaguar with black wheels which itself looks awful) the black rear bumper and wheelarch protectors remind of base model Sierra/Escorts which came with unpainted bumpers, but the pièce de résistance are those rear light clusters, which accessory shop did they find those in and who gave the go ahead to just glue them on the back.
I had great hopes for this model, but when compared to a 70 series even it looks just wrong from so many angles, all previous Prado sized models look better to me.

I don’t like that colour and the interior doesn’t look great but honestly think this looks 10x better than the 150 series. I just can’t gel with the 150 look. I agree the 4Runner looks amazing. Such a shame we don’t get it

 

[Grimbo]

Did I hear 200 inferior to RR I spent almost 4 years thinking between both these and decided for Land cruiser as I felt it’s better than RR in many ways. Am I living in a fantasy world thinking 200 is better than RR at 10 years, 15 years, 20 years of ownership

A real world experience- A friend of mine takes my 200 if he want to go on long Holliday or long distances with family as he can’t trust his RR.

Dynamically the RR is superior .... it goes better , stops better and handles better.... look at the massive 6 pot calipers and brakes on the RR and it's all independent suspension over a live rear axle on a 200..... but and it's a massive BUT.....
The 200 is superior in every way when it comes to build quality and reliability and the fact that it's worth money when the warranty runs out .... residuals on a RR are nothing after 5 years...
You bought the better vehicle to own and one that will last 20 plus years.... not many ....if any current RR's will still be on the road in 20 years

 

[GeekOKent]

The 4runner like the fortunner in other places is a Hilux/Tacoma platform. It's not targeting the LC space at all.

 

[GeekOKent]

W.r.t the 250 numbers, what Toyota ( Steven Eagell ) are saying is that the sales books never opened. Enough people put down £1000 pre sales unseen commitment that they had a private lottery and just allocated the UK quota for 2024 and 2025 to those people and still have a waiting list.

 

[AndycruiserguyLomas]

I think you're right KB,

seehttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196739792023?_skw=land+cruiser&itmmeta=01JASEMGATSQ1CZ4NQADZYY5ZZ&hash=item2dce9afc97:g:jI4AAOSwoVNnFHXa&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlpwVuUIwW8zai2tKuQX%2FbNQB5vTiOaSQWq%2BdlfIddvdN3%2FrvF%2FUpvD1%2BrTXXFMUMBBD7x9Xy8%2BI%2FEBN2ZHygIsb%2F8UVpK%2Fd8yesIulAsFs0zCL8VqQD8YYTwYNMlRJbR8bbXBC90HSZToZEhBRyrIAJWrjjxnTi2g%2BOtKvRtCt5elZOpRv3B8VCt0cPPu9OuEPmqJxpnZOPRU%2FK5NvSA9kfpgHCIINCRAnNuNNFBVZPHtQQuFv2HVXe5spMjSlFCg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR76F0q7WZA here:-


now that is quite something.

 

[Rob Cowell]

I think you're right KB,

seehttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/196739792023?_skw=land+cruiser&itmmeta=01JASEMGATSQ1CZ4NQADZYY5ZZ&hash=item2dce9afc97:g:jI4AAOSwoVNnFHXa&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlpwVuUIwW8zai2tKuQX%2FbNQB5vTiOaSQWq%2BdlfIddvdN3%2FrvF%2FUpvD1%2BrTXXFMUMBBD7x9Xy8%2BI%2FEBN2ZHygIsb%2F8UVpK%2Fd8yesIulAsFs0zCL8VqQD8YYTwYNMlRJbR8bbXBC90HSZToZEhBRyrIAJWrjjxnTi2g%2BOtKvRtCt5elZOpRv3B8VCt0cPPu9OuEPmqJxpnZOPRU%2FK5NvSA9kfpgHCIINCRAnNuNNFBVZPHtQQuFv2HVXe5spMjSlFCg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR76F0q7WZA here:-


now that is quite something.

Nice bit of fake wood, but they've put that stupid sidewall polish on, so it's a no from me

 

[Shayne]

I think Ford is winning with the Bronco , base spec $40k but no RHD .

 

[leeloo]

Spoke with the Toyota dealer in Luxembourg. He told me they will have it in showroom in January.
The prices seem to be crazy. A LR Defender with more options is 10-12 k cheaper. 20 k over the outgoing model. At least in Benelux, if you want any off road goodies you have to get the top trim.
So I am going to pass.
Plus still with the diesel, I would much rather have a petrol/hybrid option.
We will see when they are 5 year old how the market will look.

 

[Shayne]

Under all and any circumstance which will last longer and prove more reliable a 1 litre engine or a 4 litre engine ?

 

[AndycruiserguyLomas]

Had a conversation last night with someone who had been to see one of these " premium" priced 250's with only 59 miles on it. Said it was quite something to drive but worth a £15k premium? Maybe not.
Personally I said I wouldn't have paid a penny over list but there are a few out there for sale with a premium price tag, if you can't get one and you want one I guess it's your only option, market forces and all that.

 

[leeloo]

Under all and any circumstance which will last longer and prove more reliable a 1 litre engine or a 4 litre engine ?

who says anything about the 1 l version. They had big hybrids on many lexus products, like the combo between a 3l V6 + electric, etc.. that are proven and reliable, who beats the diesels in fuel economy and the electric side helps with low down torque.
What they sell in US , the 2.4 turbo hybrid is an overkill for Europe, but they could make something like a 2.5 NA + electric at around 200 HP and I would be very happy with that. I would take that over any diesel, or petrol turbo engine.

 

[Shayne]

And you only a degree in quantum physics to fix the very first fault .

 

[GeekOKent]

Three little birds.

 

[AndycruiserguyLomas]

Three little birds.

Ooooh, down to the dealership I go.

 

[toolsplus]

I phoned my local Toyota garage today,their LC 250 demonstrator is arriving soon,I'll give it a test drive...