120 D4D injector recall

[reburner]

My 1st post so high everyone and virtual drinks are on me.

A little story. About 4 months ago my Landcruiser cut out on me on the M25. No histrionics, the engine just died having shown no previous problems and I coasted over to the hard shoulder. To cut a long story short my local independent dealer ended up replacing the engine at a cost of 7k because the oil strainer had become blocked and the engine had bent itself out of shape. No one had an explanation at the time as to why this happened and Toyota wanted 7k plus labour to replace it.

Roll forward to last week and I get a phone call from my local dealer regarding the injector recall and it sounds like exactly what fubarred my engine. They referred me to Toyota customer relations who denied they have any responsibility and refused to contribute to the cost.

I am awaiting a call from my independent mechanic ( large garage specialising in high end vehicles) to see if they concur that this was the likely cause, I have lots of pictures of my broken engine and I have just called a local solicitor to consult on whether I have a case or not.

Does anyone have a link to the actual recall notice? I have searched for it on Toyota.EU which is where Toyota told me it would be but cannot find it.

 

[Crispin]

It's called "LAND CRUISER 12# Oil Strainer clogging" in the document. Does not seem to be anything official in the name though
edit -

it is apparently available on Toyota Technical which, IIRC, has a pay-by-the-minute fee?

 

[John Packham]

I've read this thread with interest because I'm collecting (having just bought) my 2005 120 next week and its VIN is in the recall range. I'm puzzled as to how a problem with the injector seats causes the sump pick-up strainer to clog. Can anybody give a technical explanation as to what's going on. I'm not doubting the problem, I just don't understand it.

 

[Crispin]

The copper seals crack and allow blow-by. Exhaust fumes in the crank case then cause the oil to coke which in turn blocks the oil pickup.

This recall is to change the seals and if evidence of blow-by, to open the sump and clean the oil pickup.

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[John Packham]

Thanks Crispin but I'm no wiser. I assumed the seats in question were between the injectors and the head and that therefore any leakage would be out past the injectors into the air. I'm obviously on the wrong track - but then I do come from the world of petrol!

 

[Crispin]

The copper seals hold back the combustion and has a secondary o-ring. The injector is under the cam cover with oil sloshing around it the lower portion of it.

They are not like the older 90's / 80's / petrol where the injectors are exposed which I assume is what you are thinking of.

Carbon deposit above O-ring
?REMOVE CARBON DEPOSIT FROM CYLINDER HEAD INJECTOR HOLES
?REPLACE ALL NOZZLE SEAT
?CLEAN NECESSARY INJECTOR ASSEMBLY
?REPLACE ENGINE OIL

Carbon deposit below O-ring
?REMOVE CARBON DEPOSIT FROM CYLINDER HEAD INJECTOR HOLES
?REPLACE ALL NOZZLE SEAT
?CLEAN NECESSARY INJECTOR ASSEMBLY

 

[John Packham]

Thanks Crispin, it all makes perfect sense now.

 

[HowardManton]

LC4 Injector Recall

Hi Crispin - some help please. I got this thread from Ian Rubie because the same engine problem has just happened to me. Do you know when this recall was sent out? Your post is dated Oct 2011 and says "you should be receiving an email" etc". I bought the vehicle in Feb 2011 and never heard anything from Toyota. My vehicle is a 2005 plate but I have not yet checked the Vin number as I am abroad. My garage says the seals are copper and the pick up was totally blocked. I have written already to Toyota but would like to be fully prepared.
Thanks in advance

 

[Rob Cowell]

Recall would have been Sep/Oct 2011. I bought my 2005 LC3 in Nov 2011. I'd been looking, but put off by injector issue, and I know I bought shortly after the recall was announced thinking I would at least get one sorted for free.

Silly question perhaps, but did you buy from Toyota? I didn't, but fortunately I'd seen the recall on a few forums and contacted my local dealer who did the work. Toyota wouldn't have known I had the car.

 

[HowardManton]

Thanks Rob - that is very helpful. No - I did not buy through Toyota. But I previously had a Colorado and did not buy this through Toyota either but still got a recall for a suspension issue so reckon they do it through the DVLA database. Hopefully this will support my case against Toyota. If the vehicle had been checked and sorted then this latest problem would not have happened. I will keep you posted!!

 

[Rob Cowell]

This wasn't a recall, it had some daft name like "customer comfort notice". I think the Coly recall was classed as something that endangered you and others. Which may be why I think lots of people weren't notified. Rubbish I know, and I hope you can get something sorted out.

 

[fast but dim]

remember, if you're not covered by the recall, dont have fsh, or have any other problems getting this sorted it doesn't cost much privately. West coast did mine ( unnecessarily i may add, but i only knew that after they had been changed) for well under £200 , a small price for piece of mind.

 

[TonyP]

Do you actually have a issue with yours? If not then contact your local Toyota dealer with the vin number and they can check if it was included in the "customer comfort notice". They should do the check for free as it's covered by Toyota UK (in fact I rocon they make some money out of it, as the labour rate is also covered).

If your engine has gone pop, then I am not sure how much help this "customer comfort notice" will do you in claiming off Toyota.

 

[Crispin]

Hope you're motor is OK Howard - I don't know much about it, I know my 120 was not affected / covered by it but Tony's was and they did the fix for free on his.
If you motor has gone pop I wonder if the fact that they have admitted a problem with it all gives you any leverage, assuming you have FSH? I'm not a lawyer so pure speculation.


If it's not popped then clean it and replace the seals (or get Mr-T to do it) and you should be ok if there is no damage.
Calling up any dealer with your reg and they should be able to tell if it is a problem.

Sorry can't be of more help.

 

[Graham]

Hi Crispin - some help please. I got this thread from Ian Rubie because the same engine problem has just happened to me. Do you know when this recall was sent out? Your post is dated Oct 2011 and says "you should be receiving an email" etc". I bought the vehicle in Feb 2011 and never heard anything from Toyota. My vehicle is a 2005 plate but I have not yet checked the Vin number as I am abroad. My garage says the seals are copper and the pick up was totally blocked. I have written already to Toyota but would like to be fully prepared.
Thanks in advance

.
Hi Howard,

When my 2005 LC3 went in for regular Toyota service, I was asked if they could keep it for a few extra hours, or would i like to bring it back another day.
It wasn't a recall, it was just a good will gesture thing that Toyota was doing.
Has your Land Cruiser been going into Mr. T. for services? they would have picked up the issue then, and notified you.
Mine was on copper seals, however the oil was clear from any sludge, and the strainer was as clear as a bell, even after 250,000 miles, - , but full Toyota service history from day 1 !!
I think you have to be extremely unlucky to have this sludge problem.

Gra.

 

[cir287]

Just for information - Yesterday I got a letter from the dealer I bought my Lc from new in 2007 to promote their service dept but to also say that there is a service recall outstanding on my lc.
I rang to enquire about the recall, turns out its the injector seals and sump check. I explained that the injector seals had been done as part of a warrenty injector change. They said thats all well but its on the system as not having been done and Toyota UK are quite happy to cover the cost of this work at any european dealer at my earliest convenience.

So if anyone out there is still unsure about their injector seals ring a dealer with the reg, the "recall" (or whatever its called) is still active, I have no service history other than the first oil change in 2007.

 

[HowardManton]

Interesting and thanks for this - it could prove helpful! I have been in contact with Toyota Customer Relations and written two letters now. As has been reported before, this is not a recall but a customer satisfaction campaign which is initiated through the dealers; so - if your car is not serviced by a Toyota dealer then you do not hear about it (apart from the above lucky person!). The Campaign runs until mid 2014 and my LC4 was delivered today (on a flatbed!) to a dealer for the seals and sump to be checked. Toyota will also diagnose what damage has resulted to the engine which is still running but making a noise. I can only think this damage was the result of the oil filter being blocked. I have also expressed my view that the issue is dangerous - my engine cut out on a dual carriage way with the total loss of power steering. We shall see!!

 

[Lewis07]

I'll be checking my VIN as soon as I get home!

 

[hugolc5]

hi apologises if this is in the wrong thread, i had the seals replaced in my 05 lc 14 months however couple days ago my injectors have blown, toyota dont want to hear anything about it. is there anymore i can do it only has 80k miles

 

[Rob]

Who replaced the injectors and how do you know they are "blown"?

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