eu in or out poll

[Ben]

I really cant see any negatives to us getting out, only positives, positives and more positives!

If we actually manage to get out, I believe we will look back on that decision in 10-20 years time and know that we saved Britain that day!

I cant see how Europe is going to get better when there are still huge amounts of migrants and terrorists arriving daily! Not to mention all the violent crimes and rapes being committed across Europe, particularly in countries like Sweden, Germany and others who now have many "no go zones" where even the police wont enter, for fear of more trouble with the migrants!

Its not like Europe can suddenly turn around and admit they made a huge mistake, and send them all back! That would be politically incorrect and against their human rights!

We have a current affair TV show here in Australia, which like most of our media here is so far to the left that even people who are firmly in the middle are labelled bigots/racists etc.

They decided to send a reporter and a some camera guys to Sweden to report from inside some of the 55 no go zones where even ambulance crews have to be escorted by police to prevent them being attacked..................

For some reason they were surprised by what happened!

 

[Shayne]

Migration to Britain won't end if we exit the union but the influx will be managed at a local level allowing for strategy and planning , reciprocal agreements will likely allow treatment for all within the NHS but the bill for non qualifying patients will be sent to the country of origin and that sort of thing , undesirables could be deported , convicts sent home to serve their sentence .

Ironically if Turkey is in the EU and Britain is out the bill for any that end up here will be sent to Brussels

 

[Shayne]

I guess British sterling will crash in value due to panic but it shouldn't take long to recover when the likes of BMW suddenly realize a free Britain can offer tailor made tax deals and incentives to attract big business .

 

[Pat]

Some good news from the southernmost colony.we had a flag referendum as our prime minister wanted to make a name for himself.Thank the good Lord that we are keeping the Union Jack.I think a lot of people are more worried about corporate America than any thing and we want to keep our ties to Britain.

 

[Rob Cowell]

I guess British sterling will crash in value due to panic but it shouldn't take long to recover when the likes of BMW suddenly realize a free Britain can offer tailor made tax deals and incentives to attract big business .

We seem to be quite good at letting big business avoid paying any tax already.

 

[chapel gate]

Some good news from the southernmost colony.we had a flag referendum as our prime minister wanted to make a name for himself.Thank the good Lord that we are keeping the Union Jack.I think a lot of people are more worried about corporate America than any thing and we want to keep our ties to Britain.

Welcome back from the brink pat!

 

[Rob Cowell]

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And yet you'd think they'd realise that walking around with Jan Sjunnesson, their guide and well knowing anti-immigration activist might upset some people. He's entitled to his views and entitled to stand where he wants. But you could set a British politician with strong views amongst a group of people who will be affected by those views and illicit exactly the same response from a small number of them. That group of lads so terrifying they were dispersed by a bloke on a mobility scooter. Would be easy to string some footage together of anti-capitalist protests in London and make it look like a place that's on the brink of melt-down.

 

[Dave]

Jan isn't a well known activist, certainly not in the area he was visiting. The same thing has happened to SVT state television channel when they tried reporting from the area. But of course they didn't show the footage on TV, because they didn't want to show how the lovely inhabitants of Rinkaby behave.

 

[Rob Cowell]

Jan isn't a well known activist, certainly not in the area he was visiting. The same thing has happened to SVT state television channel when they tried reporting from the area. But of course they didn't show the footage on TV, because they didn't want to show how the lovely inhabitants of Rinkaby behave.

Hi Dave. I didn't realise he wasn't known well in Sweden, he did pop up in the British press a couple of years ago. Still seems an imbalanced way for foreign TV to gauge views but perhaps they interviewed other people that weren't in that clip.

What is the general sentiment in Sweden regarding the EU?

 

[clivehorridge]

Not sure of the relevance (if any) to this debate or these exchanges (funny how the yes/no approach has sparked more debate than other "debate threads) but I thought I might add my experiences as a permanent expat living in "Europe"....

Firstly, what I find strange is that after a working lifetime of some 40 years paying full contributions to Britain with no claims whatsoever (bar one visit to the family GP) I have no entitlement to the NHS or treatment whatsoever, whilst I'm not resident in the UK.

Secondly, because of this, my daughter was born in a private hospital, Caesarian section with minor complications, 5 days and nights in a well equipped private room, bell push attention, wide screen TV all mod cons and superb medical attention (all modern equipment at their disposal) all for the princely sum of €1,400.

I made some internet research on comparisons, USA circa $30,000, UK private £18,000 (I don't know if these are reliable figures) and thus, I can't see the benefit in paying $480 per month in private health insurance, which is the going rate here.

BTW, there's no charge for parking at the hospital, simply because there's no car park, a minor annoyance, I must say. Drugs here may set me back a bit, but thankfully we're not dependent on massive doses of daily treatment, yet.

There's no influx of migrants here, they have more sense, going to the UK or Germany in preference. There's also no "no-go" areas here, any trouble, the armed police go in with the gendarmerie if necessary.

What to say, I'm glad I'm out TBH, sad to admit it. I love England, my country and I love the UK, Britain and what it used to stand for, but I have no regrets leaving, and it would be quite a nightmare to consider returning. Every time I visit, I leave depressed at the state its in. JMHO, sorry for any irrelevance.

 

[Shayne]

We seem to be quite good at letting big business avoid paying any tax already.

The billionaire Albert Gubay ran into trouble with the Isle of Man tax office , he was a rare man that fella i met him a few times , and as was his way he responded to the tax office publicly stating "i will give you 5 million a year in tax and not a penny more , if you don't want it just say the word and i will quit the island and give you nothing"

They accepted cut and dry full stop no nonsense because they didn't have to prostrate themselves before Brussels seeking permission to make a decision .

 

[hopeless wanderer]

I really cant see any negatives to us getting out, only positives, positives and more positives!

If we actually manage to get out, I believe we will look back on that decision in 10-20 years time and know that we saved Britain that day!

I cant see how Europe is going to get better when there are still huge amounts of migrants and terrorists arriving daily! Not to mention all the violent crimes and rapes being committed across Europe, particularly in countries like Sweden, Germany and others who now have many "no go zones" where even the police wont enter, for fear of more trouble with the migrants!

Its not like Europe can suddenly turn around and admit they made a huge mistake, and send them all back! That would be politically incorrect and against their human rights!

We have a current affair TV show here in Australia, which like most of our media here is so far to the left that even people who are firmly in the middle are labelled bigots/racists etc.

They decided to send a reporter and a some camera guys to Sweden to report from inside some of the 55 no go zones where even ambulance crews have to be escorted by police to prevent them being attacked..................

For some reason they were surprised by what happened!

I hear of these "No go zones" in the mainstream media and on social media all the time, Recently i heard on Fox News that Birmingham was an Islamic Caliphate and a "No go area" for non Muslims.

I'm amazed that Sweden has 55 of them.

 

[hopeless wanderer]

Some good news from the southernmost colony.we had a flag referendum as our prime minister wanted to make a name for himself.Thank the good Lord that we are keeping the Union Jack.I think a lot of people are more worried about corporate America than any thing and we want to keep our ties to Britain.

Well done Kiwis
Although the TPPA is signed it needs to be opposed still. The same thing applies in the UK, Without the support of other EU countries opposed to the similar treaty we will be steamrollered by corporate America.

If you are happy that your government can be sued by a corporation and its case heard by a "Business panel" then it's all good. I
imagine if removing cigarettes from display causes a loss of profit to a tobacco company or insisting that genetically modified crops are labelled in food causes a loss in profit to a corporation they can sue your government and as taxpayers we can foot the bill.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/7/transcanada_sues_the_us_for_15b
If you

 

[Rob Cowell]

The billionaire Albert Gubay ran into trouble with the Isle of Man tax office , he was a rare man that fella i met him a few times , and as was his way he responded to the tax office publicly stating "i will give you 5 million a year in tax and not a penny more , if you don't want it just say the word and i will quit the island and give you nothing"

They accepted cut and dry full stop no nonsense because they didn't have to prostrate themselves before Brussels seeking permission to make a decision .

Are you trying to imply that UK is not in charge of its income tax laws because it's in the EU, or am I just getting confused by the chronology of your posts again?

 

[Shayne]

Are you trying to imply that UK is not in charge of its income tax laws because it's in the EU, or am I just getting confused by the chronology of your posts again?

No i'm sure the UK can do what it likes with its pocket money as long as rent is paid in full to its parental guardian .

 

[Rob Cowell]

No i'm sure the UK can do what it likes with its pocket money as long as rent is paid in full to its parental guardian .

Where pocket money is about £700bn [1], and rent is about £10bn [2], yes? So a little under 1.5% of total spending. Are those the sort of figures you are seeing?

[1] UK govt spending for 2011-12 was £694bn, not sure what is right now, but I think in that ballpark
[2] EU net contribution for 2015

 

[Shayne]

So would they would be happy to accept their 1.5% contribution from Gubays 5 million deal or would they insist on 1.5% of the actual figure , regardless Gubay would have been gone taking his billions with him before the paperwork was done .

 

[Rob Cowell]

So would they would be happy to accept their 1.5% contribution from Gubays 5 million deal or would they insist on 1.5% of the actual figure , regardless Gubay would have been gone taking his billions with him before the paperwork was done .

Would who be happy? The EU contributions are calculated based on the EU definition of GDP. The UK Inland Revenue frequently does deals of the type you are describing, and for far far larger sums. My concern is that the people who get off with paying just a few tens of million are the Googles and Amazons. And they won't up and leave from the UK market.

 

[Brian S]

Some more good links with articles why Brexit is the best option



https://www.facebook...ficial/?fref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/GetBritainOut

https://www.facebook...?type=3

 

[Chas]

So France blocked the UK from joining the EU until we managed to join in 1973 yet now they (at least the EU is) funding the Remain camp to the tune of millions,
https://www.facebook.com/notes/brit...pport-a-european-super-state/1002263456522053