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Where will they get the money to pay that fine 
How many schools face closure and how many patients will go without treatment to pay for this junk mail .
Not really relevant but i feel like a rant .
Here's an NHS story of insignificant consequence to me the patient but it shows quite well where its all going wrong . Here mr GP i have a spot on the back of my neck so deep i can't get it with a needle or blade its painful and i would like it lanced . Ok he says we shall monitor it .
2 years later after 3 hospital consultations with 3 separate surgeons it was decided both spots should now be debrided . An hours appointment involving about 10 medical staff i was eventually informed by somebody i had never seen before "i'm very glad to tell you the lab results are back and its not cancerous"
What !?! i told the doc i have a follicle infection and if i could see the back of my neck i could dig the follicle out myself as i have done many times before .
Couple of years later same again .
Maybe 6 years down the line without cure i was forced to visit my GP again , ah yes he says we will try that cream again , which is how each two year period begins
I said no you won't instead you will refer me to a private hospital , he didn't like that but it wasn't a question .
£140 for a 2 minute inspection by a private specialist who was horrified to be seeing someone not covered by private medical insurance but he confirmed my own diagnoses and sent me back to my own GP with a letter stating what to prescribe . He also offered a personal guarantee that if 1 tablet a day doesn't cure the problem within a fortnight i could return to him for free as many times as i like .
Ok so tablets ain't cheap but lets say £1000 for a cure V £100 to £200,000 in NHS appointments for no cure
How many schools face closure and how many patients will go without treatment to pay for this junk mail .
Not really relevant but i feel like a rant .
Here's an NHS story of insignificant consequence to me the patient but it shows quite well where its all going wrong . Here mr GP i have a spot on the back of my neck so deep i can't get it with a needle or blade its painful and i would like it lanced . Ok he says we shall monitor it .
2 years later after 3 hospital consultations with 3 separate surgeons it was decided both spots should now be debrided . An hours appointment involving about 10 medical staff i was eventually informed by somebody i had never seen before "i'm very glad to tell you the lab results are back and its not cancerous"
What !?! i told the doc i have a follicle infection and if i could see the back of my neck i could dig the follicle out myself as i have done many times before .
Couple of years later same again .
Maybe 6 years down the line without cure i was forced to visit my GP again , ah yes he says we will try that cream again , which is how each two year period begins
I said no you won't instead you will refer me to a private hospital , he didn't like that but it wasn't a question .
£140 for a 2 minute inspection by a private specialist who was horrified to be seeing someone not covered by private medical insurance but he confirmed my own diagnoses and sent me back to my own GP with a letter stating what to prescribe . He also offered a personal guarantee that if 1 tablet a day doesn't cure the problem within a fortnight i could return to him for free as many times as i like .
Ok so tablets ain't cheap but lets say £1000 for a cure V £100 to £200,000 in NHS appointments for no cure
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Chas
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Stamps don't cost much send it to Number 10 with "i am not european" written on it
Maybe better to send it to
Mr David Cameron
C/O Conservative campaign headquarters
4 Mathew Parker Street
London
SW1H- 9HQ.
I would imagine many will send it to No 10 and somehow they could block them.
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Something else to think on
http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=62780
Unelected "people" deciding that a democratic decision (referendum vote) is not to their liking so will be ignored and over ruled
The "other" side of the Governments unlawful propaganda leaflet
http://leave.eu/news/2016-04-07/why-the-government-leaflet-is-wrong
Britain's "Better of IN"!!!!! with friends like these who needs enemies
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-ADMITS-Brussels-BLOCKED-bid-rescue-UK-steel
More migrants anyone?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...nveils-EU-master-plan-MORE-economic-migration
http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=62780
Unelected "people" deciding that a democratic decision (referendum vote) is not to their liking so will be ignored and over ruled
The "other" side of the Governments unlawful propaganda leaflet
http://leave.eu/news/2016-04-07/why-the-government-leaflet-is-wrong
Britain's "Better of IN"!!!!! with friends like these who needs enemies
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-ADMITS-Brussels-BLOCKED-bid-rescue-UK-steel
More migrants anyone?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...nveils-EU-master-plan-MORE-economic-migration
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OTE=lc 120;458443]Here is Nigel at his best...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/R5lXYw1l8l0?rel=0&autoplay=1[/QUOTE]
Great speech, love the look on angela merkels face..
https://www.youtube.com/embed/R5lXYw1l8l0?rel=0&autoplay=1[/QUOTE]
Great speech, love the look on angela merkels face..
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Funny how it seems to be the EU who are to blame for it all... The tarrifs that the EU wanted to apply and could well have helped were opposed by us.
The fact remains when the cost of energy to produce steel comes for utilities that were flogged off cheap to other countries during the "privatise everything" years, Steel will be expensive.
If you dont have nationalised industry you are at the mercy of market forces and the market has decided our steel is too expensive.
Even the bloody helpline for when you have a waterleak or a powercut is too expensive, so its outsourced to somewhere else so some other poor mug is shafted working a 16 hour shift pretending he is called "Woger" and he loves Coronation Street.
So to those who remember the adverts when we sold off British Gas ... "If you see Sid... tell him to go @#$% himself"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-ste...ts-dismissal-of-eu-tariff-proposal-1459519472
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Yes but even China is laying off 500,000 steel workers...
http://www.mining.com/china-to-axe-1-8-million-coal-steel-jobs/
http://www.mining.com/china-to-axe-1-8-million-coal-steel-jobs/
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Supply has just outstripped demand , when the credit crunch hit the whole world buried their heads while China bought a vast amounts of global mineral resources . With billions invested they have to produce but where do you put it when nobody is buying it ?
I remember Graham raising the alarm on here about 3 years ago posting links and maps of China's rampaging acquisition of global mining resources . I guess the experts didn't notice .
I remember Graham raising the alarm on here about 3 years ago posting links and maps of China's rampaging acquisition of global mining resources . I guess the experts didn't notice .
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Just found this on FB in the comments section
https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuoff...4492093982367/931646713600237/?type=3&theater
FCO 30/1048: Heath knew it was treason
This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath's government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century.
The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished.
In public Heath's government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted.
Here are just a few of the damning sentences:
Parliament controlled
11. Membership of the Communities will involve us in extensive limitations upon our freedom of action.
For the first time. Parliament is binding its successors.
Increasing loss of sovereignty
The loss of external sovereignty will however increase as the Community develops, according to the intention of the preamble to the Treaty of Rome "to establish the foundations of an even closer union among the European peoples ".
Small threats to sovereignty, like Burgess, Blunt and Maclean's selling secrets to the Russians, attract 30 year jail sentences. The penalty for actually loosing even small parts of it until 1998 was "to hang by the neck until dead."
King Charles 1st was executed for treason that was, by comparison, relatively minor.
Lord Haw Haw (“Germany Calling” - William Joyce) was hanged for treason on 3rd January 1946. His efforts on behalf of Germany were tiny by comparison with Edward Heath’s.
Our law subservient
12. (ii) The power of the European Court to consider the extent to which a UK statute is compatible with Community Law will indirectly involve an innovation for us, as the European Court's decisions will be binding on our courts which might then have to rule on the validity or applicability of the United Kingdom statute.
The writ of a foreign power is not allowed under the British Constitution, which Heath was breaking.
Predicting monetary and military union
18..but it will be in the British interest after accession to encourage the development of the Community toward an effectively harmonised economic, fiscal and monetary system and a fairly closely coordinated and consistent foreign and defence policy. If it came to do so then essential aspects of sovereignty both internal and external would indeed increasingly be transferred to the Community itself.
No withdrawal, sovereignty diminished
22. Even with the most dramatic development of the Community the major member states can hardly lose the "last resort" ability to withdraw in much less than three decades. The Community's development could produce before then a period in which the political practicability of withdrawal was doubtful. If the point should ever be reached at which inability to renounce the Treaty (and with it the degeneration of the national institutions which could opt for such a policy) was clear, then sovereignty, external, parliamentary and practical would indeed be diminished.
Disinformation
After entry there would be a major responsibility on HMG and on all political parties not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures or unfavourable economic developments to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community.
Transfer of the Executive
24 (ii) The transfer of major executive responsibilities to the bureaucratic Commission in Brussels will exacerbate popular feeling of alienation from government.
Erosion of sovereignty
24 (v) ...The more the Community is developed ... the more Parliamentary sovereignty will be eroded. ...The right ... to withdraw will remain for a very considerable time. ...The sovereignty of the State will surely remain unchallenged for this century at least.
The EU Bureaucracy will rule
25. The impact of entry upon sovereignty is closely related to the blurring of distinctions between domestic political and foreign affairs, to the greater political responsibility of the bureaucracy of the Community and the lack of effective democratic control.
The writers understanding of the future of the EU was bang on. They wanted the bureaucracy to take over from the democracy. The loss of sovereignty was desirable for them, legally traitors working deep inside our government.
https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuoff...4492093982367/931646713600237/?type=3&theater
FCO 30/1048: Heath knew it was treason
This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath's government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century.
The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished.
In public Heath's government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted.
Here are just a few of the damning sentences:
Parliament controlled
11. Membership of the Communities will involve us in extensive limitations upon our freedom of action.
For the first time. Parliament is binding its successors.
Increasing loss of sovereignty
The loss of external sovereignty will however increase as the Community develops, according to the intention of the preamble to the Treaty of Rome "to establish the foundations of an even closer union among the European peoples ".
Small threats to sovereignty, like Burgess, Blunt and Maclean's selling secrets to the Russians, attract 30 year jail sentences. The penalty for actually loosing even small parts of it until 1998 was "to hang by the neck until dead."
King Charles 1st was executed for treason that was, by comparison, relatively minor.
Lord Haw Haw (“Germany Calling” - William Joyce) was hanged for treason on 3rd January 1946. His efforts on behalf of Germany were tiny by comparison with Edward Heath’s.
Our law subservient
12. (ii) The power of the European Court to consider the extent to which a UK statute is compatible with Community Law will indirectly involve an innovation for us, as the European Court's decisions will be binding on our courts which might then have to rule on the validity or applicability of the United Kingdom statute.
The writ of a foreign power is not allowed under the British Constitution, which Heath was breaking.
Predicting monetary and military union
18..but it will be in the British interest after accession to encourage the development of the Community toward an effectively harmonised economic, fiscal and monetary system and a fairly closely coordinated and consistent foreign and defence policy. If it came to do so then essential aspects of sovereignty both internal and external would indeed increasingly be transferred to the Community itself.
No withdrawal, sovereignty diminished
22. Even with the most dramatic development of the Community the major member states can hardly lose the "last resort" ability to withdraw in much less than three decades. The Community's development could produce before then a period in which the political practicability of withdrawal was doubtful. If the point should ever be reached at which inability to renounce the Treaty (and with it the degeneration of the national institutions which could opt for such a policy) was clear, then sovereignty, external, parliamentary and practical would indeed be diminished.
Disinformation
After entry there would be a major responsibility on HMG and on all political parties not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures or unfavourable economic developments to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community.
Transfer of the Executive
24 (ii) The transfer of major executive responsibilities to the bureaucratic Commission in Brussels will exacerbate popular feeling of alienation from government.
Erosion of sovereignty
24 (v) ...The more the Community is developed ... the more Parliamentary sovereignty will be eroded. ...The right ... to withdraw will remain for a very considerable time. ...The sovereignty of the State will surely remain unchallenged for this century at least.
The EU Bureaucracy will rule
25. The impact of entry upon sovereignty is closely related to the blurring of distinctions between domestic political and foreign affairs, to the greater political responsibility of the bureaucracy of the Community and the lack of effective democratic control.
The writers understanding of the future of the EU was bang on. They wanted the bureaucracy to take over from the democracy. The loss of sovereignty was desirable for them, legally traitors working deep inside our government.
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