eu in or out poll

[StarCruiser]

I found this a worthy watch…

No kettles…

 

[Pat]

I found this a worthy watch…

No kettles…

Good day Mate,I brought this up on my Apple TV so I did not miss anything
What I viewed is a good look at the world we live in and how big business monopolies use and control the life we lead.Oh for a Swiss style of government.What is happening in Britain is occurring in many countries around the world.The functionaries that govern the EU are no more than the tools of the large corporations that seek to squeeze the last penny out of us and more importantly how we as individuals live our lives.Regulation is making life very difficult out in the colonies.My wife and I built our own modest home
40 odd years ago,now we would not be allowed to do it.We have our own portable sawmill and now we can't get a permit to build with any home sawn timber.Regulation is most definitely a tool of big business and we hate it.
The UK has many, many good reasons to leave the EU so please do it and be an example to many people who hold you in high regard.Pat

 

[Pat]

Our home in the New Zealand countryside.Pat

 

[chapel gate]

On a similar note pat, ive just seen on the news business are sending emails to employees telling them why they should vote to stay in.

 

[Ben]

I still believe the Turkey issue is a big enough reason in itself for Great Britain to leave!

I know some will scoff at this, but an islamic controlled EU is very likely in the future according to the article below and if correct, that means all Europeans will have to live under sharia law, just like our allies in saudi!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...n-is-a-vote-for-mass-immigration-from-turkey/

 

[Rob Cowell]

I still believe the Turkey issue is a big enough reason in itself for Great Britain to leave!

I know some will scoff at this, but an islamic controlled EU is very likely in the future according to the article below and if correct, that means all Europeans will have to live under sharia law, just like our allies in saudi!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...n-is-a-vote-for-mass-immigration-from-turkey/

How do you get from Turkey having more MEPs than the UK or, eventually, Germany. To Turkey having more MEPs than the rest of Europe combined and so able to exert an Islamic doctrine on the EU? Funny because usually anti-EU writing focuses on the "unelected" comissioners, the people who propose the legislation. But of course Turkey would only get one of them.

All this leaving aside the secular, very much non-Sharia nature of Turkey's constitution. Although I concede Erdogan displayed some pro-Islamic tendancies in his earlier life.

 

[Gaz555]

OUT out out out out out

Whats the score so far ? The thread said to only put IN or OUT .

 

[Paddler Ed]

(snip) live under sharia law, just like our allies in saudi!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...n-is-a-vote-for-mass-immigration-from-turkey/

The problem with that statement Ben is that the "allies" in Saudi are some of the most supportive of the extreme branches of Islam - Wahhabi-ism - have the challenge of balancing their position as the "developed" face of Islam (which I think Turkey, Egypt etc actually did better) in particular the Sunni sect compared to the Shi'ite. Again, we seem to have the most disruptive state as an ally (same with Israel)...

See these two articles as the challenge that Saudi (and the house of Saud) have:
http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-wahhabism-in-saudi-arabia-36693
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

 

[ByronJ]

Out.

 

[moggy1968]

out
interestingly a similar poll on the Hilux forum showed about 90% for out, which shows a very different face to the polls in the press

 

[hopeless wanderer]

The wanderer returns

well ive been away from this thread a while and have just caught up. The vote is imminent and I'm confident that we won't be "Brexiting"
I picked up on some interesting information regarding the EU and it's subsidies.
As per usual the landed gentry are the ones milking the EU and robbing its own citizens blind, everyone cries about the EU costing millions and millions and the usual bollocks about unelected dictators in Brussels.
The below article shows exactly who profits from the CAP subsidies. Oh what a surprise !! It's those lovely Greek/German/Russian/Lizards (OK I'm kidding with the lizard bit)
OUR unelected dictators seem to be making a tidy profit from it all.
CAP subsidies are meant to stabilise and support farmers across Europe but end up being yet another way for the elite to take money from out of your pocket.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/p...pay-our-richest-landowners-millions-subsidies

Is this then sovereignty people are so desperate to hang onto ? It's nothing more than serfdom and has been for centuries. If Europe rids my grandchildren or their grandchildren of this yoke that is the monarchy aided and abetted by a parliament that's born of its Oxford educated, privileged sycophants, then hooray for the EU.

However this his pans out remember it'll be David Cameron handing the whip to Boris Johnson for their chancellor Gideon Osbourne to take more from you to give to them

https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/the-bullingdon-club/

Isn't it peculiar how in an alleged democracy, so many of the people in power have so much in common.
How Jeremy Hunt who is on the verge of decimating the health service is a cousin of the royals.
How the media turns the screws on anyone who isn't in the club.

 

[Ben]

The problem with that statement Ben is that the "allies" in Saudi are some of the most supportive of the extreme branches of Islam - Wahhabi-ism - have the challenge of balancing their position as the "developed" face of Islam (which I think Turkey, Egypt etc actually did better) in particular the Sunni sect compared to the Shi'ite. Again, we seem to have the most disruptive state as an ally (same with Israel)...

See these two articles as the challenge that Saudi (and the house of Saud) have:
http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-wahhabism-in-saudi-arabia-36693
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html

I was being sarcastic when I called them our allies, apologies if that didnt come across. I'm not sure I would call them developed, there still extremely barbaric and backwards!

 

[Rob Cowell]

The wanderer returns

well ive been away from this thread a while and have just caught up. The vote is imminent and I'm confident that we won't be "Brexiting"
I picked up on some interesting information regarding the EU and it's subsidies.

That article is a bit wrong / out of date. When it was written grants were not purely on acreage. You had entitlements based in the income from the land in 2005. So a chicken farm might get £5000/acre, and a hill sheep farm maybe £80/acre, but of course the hill farm is likely to be much larger. But you could buy and sell entitlements, so for about £12-15K you could buy an entitlement to an annual £5K you could apply to an acre of your hill land.

Since last year all entitlements have started to transition to the same value, so we are moving towards a simple acreage payment.

Not all CAP payments go into these entitlements. A lot goes to environmental schemes so you can get money for doing stuff like fencing off river banks from grazing, growing mixed crops, planting hedges. That sort of thing.

It's true that big land owners in the UK are big beneficiaries of this, and arguably it keeps land prices and land rents artificially high.

It is supposed to be more equitable in much of Europe where there are more small, family owned farms. There are a lot of family farms in the UK that are only viable because of these payments. Lots of farmers would happily see them go if they went from farmers in competing markets too. I don't think leaving the EU is likely to fix the inequitable nature of this. It's very hard to avoid the business restructuring that is going on to avoid the €300K cap. Personally I don't trust the current or likely near to mid term future to "fix" it.

 

[hopeless wanderer]

That article is a bit wrong / out of date. When it was written grants were not purely on acreage. You had entitlements based in the income from the land in 2005. So a chicken farm might get £5000/acre, and a hill sheep farm maybe £80/acre, but of course the hill farm is likely to be much larger. But you could buy and sell entitlements, so for about £12-15K you could buy an entitlement to an annual £5K you could apply to an acre of your hill land.

Since last year all entitlements have started to transition to the same value, so we are moving towards a simple acreage payment.

Not all CAP payments go into these entitlements. A lot goes to environmental schemes so you can get money for doing stuff like fencing off river banks from grazing, growing mixed crops, planting hedges. That sort of thing.

It's true that big land owners in the UK are big beneficiaries of this, and arguably it keeps land prices and land rents artificially high.

It is supposed to be more equitable in much of Europe where there are more small, family owned farms. There are a lot of family farms in the UK that are only viable because of these payments. Lots of farmers would happily see them go if they went from farmers in competing markets too. I don't think leaving the EU is likely to fix the inequitable nature of this. It's very hard to avoid the business restructuring that is going on to avoid the €300K cap. Personally I don't trust the current or likely near to mid term future to "fix" it.

 

[hopeless wanderer]

Cheers rob for the extra info.
I'm not contesting what you say as regards to EU subsidies under the CAP.
The point I still stand by is that the EU offers me a greater democracy than our own parliament ever had and ever will.
If you look at who our leaders actually serve it's rarely anyone but themselves or their investment buddies.
The media is either owned by the government and is horrifically biased, acting as nothing more than propaganda. The BBC is no better than the Soviet Pravda was.
Hillsborough, Jean Charles De Menezes, The current doctors strike.
All indicative of the control the state has over the media.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...five-secret-meetings-with-Rupert-Murdoch.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/murdochs-courtship-of-blair-finally-pays-off-1144087.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...john-major-tells-leveson-inquiry-7843642.html
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-thatcher-and-rupert-murdoch-made-secret-deal

This control does not exist to this extent in the EU.
We just recently described Nigeria and Afghanistan as "fantastically corrupt" ... Laugh ? I nearly pissed myself.

 

[Shayne]

I like this because i think more of the out voters are likely to take up the offer than the in crowd

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-campaign-complains-police-over-125900897.html

 

[Chas]

I like this because i think more of the out voters are likely to take up the offer than the in crowd

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/brexit-campaign-complains-police-over-125900897.html

Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary said in a statement."As the UK's largest airline, Ryanair is absolutely clear that the UK economy and its growth prospects are stronger as a member of the European Union and the single market than they are outside the EU"
Bigger than British Airways, can that be true?

 

[lc 120]

Ryanair are not even a UK company, they are based in Dublin...

 

[Rob Cowell]

I think O'Leary is referring to the number of commericial flights in and out of the UK rather than who is a UK company. I think he is pretending IAG don't count though, because I reckon they have more flights.

 

[Pat]

I think O'Leary is referring to the number of commericial flights in and out of the UK rather than who is a UK company. I think he is pretending IAG don't count though, because I reckon they have more flights.