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Shayne said:
Thank you , obviously i googled the symptoms and found i only had 1 minute to live . Fortunately it took my computer 3 minutes to download the page so i reckon the danger has passed and i will be fine :lol:
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Very pleased to hear it. We have to keep Crispin's disks moving somehow, or I think they seize up.
 
So question for Shayne based on 90 thread about importing 2nd hand cars into Jersey.

Shayne said:
No i just took a peek at the process and its EU this and EU that very similar to Portugal and Spain so i reckon most of the trucks on this forum will be scrapped under EU law very soon .
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So why would you still have to pay GST in Jersey if they were part of the EU and importing a 2nd hand car from another EU state?

Interested in the scrapping scare. What's that about?

And what is the Iberian link?
 
The Isle of Man is not part of the EU and there you just have to drive onto the ferry . If your vehicle remains on the Island more than 6 months (iirc) then you have to have a an mot (your first and last as there is no annual requirement) . I guess there's an admin fee for a registration number and that's it done .

A number of european members have discussed on the forum the difficulties faced while trying to register a car that is not absolutely 100% bog standard . Those rules will be forced on us if we don't get out now .
 
Shayne said:
A number of european members have discussed on the forum the difficulties faced while trying to register a car that is not absolutely 100% bog standard . Those rules will be forced on us if we don't get out now .
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I think your mistaking local law/rules with EU ones there Shayne, been many internet scare stories over the years about the EU banning modified cars, all horseshit that came to nothing
 
Shayne said:
The Isle of Man is not part of the EU and there you just have to drive onto the ferry . If your vehicle remains on the Island more than 6 months (iirc) then you have to have a an mot (your first and last as there is no annual requirement) . I guess there's an admin fee for a registration number and that's it done .

A number of european members have discussed on the forum the difficulties faced while trying to register a car that is not absolutely 100% bog standard . Those rules will be forced on us if we don't get out now .
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Not at all clear how legislation and collection of duty in the IOM relates to that in Jersey, but thanks for the information.

And as I understand it, the scrapping stuff is you guessing that Spanish and Portuguese legislation (if it is legislation) will be adopted by the EU and applied and retrospectively enforced in the UK. Your guess is as good as mine, but I think I'm less paranoid. Maybe I'll regret fitting my tyres with the slightly taller sidewalls. Maybe not.
 
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erm that link covers roadworthiness checks, like the MOT that has been in place for decades, maybe I'm not looking at the right bit but can't see anything outlawing modifications
 
Shayne said:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/topics/vehicles/inspection/index_en.htm
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So EU legislation is that all member nations must carry out periodic roadworthiness checks. Given the number of EU freight vehicles trundling down the M4 to Ireland this gives me some confidence they won't veer into me when something breaks. And imagine all the time it saves at Calais and Dover not having to do a roadside check on all the foreign vehicles going between countries. Given some of the cars I've travelled in out of the EU personally I'm hugely in favour of this. Not sure why anyone wouldn't be?

Having a quick skim through the directive I think it looks very encouraging for me driving with my family around Europe. Treating tractors that can exceed 40km/h as trucks (my old, slow tractor needs no MOT; I don't know if anyone has tried to slow down in an old tractor?); member states can determine their own legislation on historic vehicles, as the EU considers they conserve heritage; "Testing during the life cycle of a vehicle should be relatively simple, quick and inexpensive".

I haven't read it all, but really, what's not to like?
 
In Shaynes link it states 'EU law ensures all vehicles and trailers are inspected at regular intervals. It provides a basis for checking that vehicles throughout the EU are in a roadworthy condition and meet the same safety standards as when they were first registered'

When they were first registered being I think the relevant part, it doesn't take much imagination to see some official numpty saying that means original equipment, no modifications. Maybe that was the point Shayne was making?
 
Chas said:
In Shaynes link it states 'EU law ensures all vehicles and trailers are inspected at regular intervals. It provides a basis for checking that vehicles throughout the EU are in a roadworthy condition and meet the same safety standards as when they were first registered'

When they were first registered being I think the relevant part, it doesn't take much imagination to see some official numpty saying that means original equipment, no modifications. Maybe that was the point Shayne was making?
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I think that's fair enough, but then official numpties can make a mess with any set of rules. I don't think we can blame the EU for numpties, they transcend borders.
 
Jeez its taken me this long to skip through the vehicle inspection link offered on that page , Chas summed it up really , there's also a bit that covers repairs which says something like only parts that may have came off the original production line with the correct type approval may be used .
 
Shayne said:
Jeez its taken me this long to skip through the vehicle inspection link offered on that page , Chas summed it up really , there's also a bit that covers repairs which says something like only parts that may have came off the original production line with the correct type approval may be used .
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But this is legislation that is in place. Is being interpreted. And is being applied in the UK and other member states. So you can see your interpretation does not match those of the authorities in the UK. We can always say if we stay in the EU what you think will happen, but equally what you think can happen quite easily under a UK government who will continue to curry favour with China and global businesses eager to make sure their products are consumed.

Any thoughts on Port Talbot?
 
Chas said:
In Shaynes link it states 'EU law ensures all vehicles and trailers are inspected at regular intervals. It provides a basis for checking that vehicles throughout the EU are in a roadworthy condition and meet the same safety standards as when they were first registered'

When they were first registered being I think the relevant part, it doesn't take much imagination to see some official numpty saying that means original equipment, no modifications. Maybe that was the point Shayne was making?
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No it doesn't safety standard the same as when it was first registered, its irrelevant what part is fitted as long as it meets the same safety requirements Pretty much all the media reported back in 2012 when this was first discussed that the EU were banning car modifications. Unfortunately they all misread/misinterpreted the legislation to the point the EU clarified the position. The requirement was to standardise annual testing across the EU s every member state was checking for the same level of roadworthiness

This kinda highlights my earlier post regarding people making decisions based on media spin...............
 
MarkW said:
No it doesn't safety standard the same as when it was first registered, its irrelevant what part is fitted as long as it meets the same safety requirements Pretty much all the media reported back in 2012 when this was first discussed that the EU were banning car modifications. Unfortunately they all misread/misinterpreted the legislation to the point the EU clarified the position. The requirement was to standardise annual testing across the EU s every member state was checking for the same level of roadworthiness

This kinda highlights my earlier post regarding people making decisions based on media spin...............
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As with a lot of things Mark, what we are told at the time and what finally comes to pass are often not at all the same thing, don't you know politicians lie to us, it's a job requirement for them.
 
News 4 years ago, media spin and misinterpretation has been and gone Chas
 
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I can't remember where Dieseldragon lives , Spain possibly and he has to go for testing because he removed the sidesteps :think: maybe Spain just embraced these same rules as an opportunity to scam some more money out of motorists ?

I'm sure the UK gov would never do such a thing :laughing-rolling:
 
that's just Spanish law, its not EU afaik

On the way down through Spain to Morocco we met a local chap in a modified 80 driving home from Morocco so it must be possible to change things
 
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