eu in or out poll

[Ben]

A lot of the comments above seem to focus around the EU staying the same. If it all collapses within the next few months/years then non of that will really apply anyway!

 

[goodoldboy]

I like most people on here didnt think we would actually get out! We all thought Remain would just win the vote!

But the EU has brought all of this upon its self! I dont think there would have even been a referendum, let alone an out vote had they not continually eroded the rights of UK citizens and pushed ahead with mass, uncontrolled immigration which has put tremendous strain on everything from housing to schooling to house care!

The EU in principle and as it was set up was a great thing and had they not gone on to f*** it up so badly I would have voted to remain!

I'm just so glad the UK jumped ship and isnt going to drown with the rest of them!

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I wonder if Merkel can see the huge damage she has done to Europe?

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The problem with the argument that immigrants are to blame for the UKs ill is that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-economy/ my mother & her siblings came to the UK as economic migrants in the 1960 so i am wearily familiar with all the lies & bigotry being spouted.

 

[Ben]

The problem with the argument that immigrants are to blame for the UKs ill is that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-economy/ my mother & her siblings came to the UK as economic migrants in the 1960 so i am wearily familiar with all the lies & bigotry being spouted.

Lies and bigotry?

Many people myself included have seen the absolute f****g mess the likes of Merkel have made of Europe by inviting millions of migrants in!

For many voters who voted to leave they have seen first hand the consequences of mass immigration, where by they can no longer get their kids in to local schools, get a doctors appointment or find reasonably priced housing!

Controlled immigration can be of huge benfit to countries. But uncontrolled free for all mass immigration can be devastating!

I know a lot of people from the far left seem to think that all 17+ million Brits who voted to leave are racist bigots, but I know a lot of people didnt vote leave because of immigration, they voted because they wanted democracy back away from the EU dictatorship and their over regulations and silly laws!

 

[goodoldboy]

Lies and bigotry?

Many people myself included have seen the absolute f****g mess the likes of Merkel have made of Europe by inviting millions of migrants in!

For many voters who voted to leave they have seen first hand the consequences of mass immigration, where by they can no longer get their kids in to local schools, get a doctors appointment or find reasonably priced housing!

Controlled immigration can be of huge benfit to countries. But uncontrolled free for all mass immigration can be devastating!

I know a lot of people from the far left seem to think that all 17+ million Brits who voted to leave are racist bigots, but I know a lot of people didnt vote leave because of immigration, they voted because they wanted democracy back away from the EU dictatorship and their over regulations and silly laws!

Merkel didnt invite millions of migrants - most of them were refugees fleeing a region that we have helped to destabilise.As for the problems with housing successive uk governments have made house price inflation inevitable - immigrants didnt decide to cut spending on health & education.Living standards for most brits haven't risen in real terms since the 1970s & migrants are a convenient scapegoat.

 

[froggy Steve]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH there wont be any negotiations! what has the UK got as a bargaining chip?the threat to leave? Dont you think that say European car manufactures will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of tariffs on British cars ? As for jobs if the cheap labour cant come to the UK the jobs will move to where the cheap labour is.

Think of it like this. You hand your notice in at work cos you dont like it anymore. After you have done this you say to your ex boss ' hey boss, now we can negotiate my leaving package' erm, thats not really going to work is it? As good old boy said, you / we have nothing to negotiate with.
I can see BMW Mini taking production to Germany where they will naturally get a big fat grant and have lots of labour. Nissan, Honda and the rest will close factories in UK and use EU grants to build their cars to europe. Banks will toddle off in droves, The UK market is small compared to Europe. Personally I think the UK has shot itself well and truly in the foot, and the scary thing is that no one will be prosicuted for feeding the population lies in an important national decision like the referendum. i feel sorry for the younglings growing up without the chance to live and work in a united Europe.

As for immigration, I am an immigrant - I moved to France for a better life. Ben is one too. The problem with hundreds of migrants trying to get into the UK isnt going to go away. In fact, It wouldnt surprise me if the French kick the UK border force out of France back to the UK, and then go have a coffee while thousands try and get to the UK in boats, trains and trucks! What will you do with them once they set foot in UK? It costs the French Millions to help stem the flow to UK - who will pay for it now?

Can of worms, I know!

 

[Ben]

I found this article interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...orgot-that-democracy-is-the-one-thing-britai/

 

[Shayne]

Scotland can only hold a Referendum if Westminster agrees to it . . .

If Scotland did become independent, and managed to join the EU (with the same conditions that the UK just rejected), it would become an "open back door" to the remainder of the UK unless there was a strictly-enforced border to prevent the free-flow of European (and other) hopefulls into England and Wales.

I can't see Westminster agreeing to that possibility.

But I'm not a Politician .

Bob.

I am inclined to think they would get the same shock results if they did , do you want to be European or British , funny kind of independence that .

I am waiting for the vindictive backlash to subside and somebody in power to ask with a clear and open mind - why did it happen .

Numbers simply do not support that immigration was the cause , and if your garden is measured in acres it will seem ludicrous that this can be touted as a genuine reason .

My personal view on the NHS is that of 28 countries only one has it . So in the spirit of greater unity should we introduce NHS to each and every one of those countries or just get rid of the one causing the nuisance .

It was blatantly obvious throughout to me that the 350 million discussed will be in the hands of a new government to do with what they will , the power of that message was that its British money and it should be spent on Britain .

I visited machinemart in Cardiff last week and couldn't find it even with a satnav so i drove around in circles for half hour failing to find anyone who spoke English until i came across about 8 police banging on someones door . My greeting of "one of you lot must speak English" was met by them with an acceptance tinged with sympathy and perhaps just a hint of comradery . Machinemart is behind the hoarding of the pub that was burnt down if anyone's looking for it .

Tell the little old lady who has lived there all her life in a house she inherited from her parents that immigration is not a problem .

IMO the vote was decided by the have nots who supremely out number the well to do . The have nots will gain nothing and have nothing to lose therefore they voted with an honest perception of Britain's future within the EU .

 

[StarCruiser]

Dont forget there's a whole group of other countries poised to hold votes to leave the EU. If those at the top in Brussels have any sense at all of what may happen if they continue to handle things wrongly, then we may have a better hand in this poker game than we think.

 

[chapel gate]

The problem with the argument that immigrants are to blame for the UKs ill is that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-economy/ my mother & her siblings came to the UK as economic migrants in the 1960 so i am wearily familiar with all the lies & bigotry being spouted.

The problem with the argument that immigrants are to blame for the UKs ill is that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6399/economics/impact-of-immigration-on-uk-economy/ my mother & her siblings came to the UK as economic migrants in the 1960 so i am wearily familiar with all the lies & bigotry being spouted.

So here is one of the reasons your not in europe anymore. Anyone who disagrees with your view on immigration is a liar and biggot, you missed racist and hate off your little list...

 

[MarkW]

So yesterday cost the economy the equivalent of 15 years EU membership, Farage went back of 3 of his key promises for leaving within hours of the result and the news was full of stories of people who voted leave saying they'd made a mistake

Interesting start to what's to come

 

[chapel gate]

The markets were allways going to react like they have there are no surprises there.

A lot of people are now acting like a rabbit let out of its cage in the garden for the first time.
Its free, but not use to the freedom and jumps back in the cage..

people, ffs get a grip!

 

[Pumpy]

Immigration: Most folks arn't really against immigration, they just use that label. Immigration is generally good for the economy, if folks were politically educated rather than politically brainwashed, they'd recognise they're just useing it as a label.

What they're really against, what really winds them up, is how they're made to feel by a subversive element that's wound it's way into our current political and cultural power structure over the last few decades, they can't put their finger on it, the media calls it immigration, the BBC promotes the inaccurate labeling (because it's been infiltrated it's self) it's an awkward feeling they can't accurately describe because they're getting mixed messages by the media and cultural leaders.

It is cultural marxism, they just don't understand what cultural marxism is.

 

[chapel gate]

Ive been harping on about this for years pumpy but not knowing it had a label.

now they want another referendum until they get the result they want. These people are libral and democratic until they stop getting there own way. Then they turn very nasty..

 

[Chas]

Immigration: Most folks arn't really against immigration, they just use that label.

I'm not so sure about that Pumpy where I live sometimes it's like being in a foreign country.

 

[clivehorridge]

Dont forget there's a whole group of other countries poised to hold votes to leave the EU. If those at the top in Brussels have any sense at all of what may happen if they continue to handle things wrongly, then we may have a better hand in this poker game than we think.

On a slightly lighter note if I may...

 

[chapel gate]

Most folks dont mind a small amount of immigration, its mass immigration the backlash is about, in a small overcrowded country to boot.

 

[chapel gate]

On a slightly lighter note if I may...

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Youll be ok then clive..

 

[Shayne]

Interesting article written in June 2013

https://hbr.org/2013/06/the-european-union-a-failed-ex

 

[Graham]

Emotions are high at the moment. This feels a little like a divorce. We were once in love. Things turned sour, we then had years of argument. You kind of get used to the arguing but deep down you know its not good. Then you make the break and split. After the euphoria theres the come down. You feel alone and flat, have i done the right thing? Deep down you know you have. Convidence slowly builds and the new chapter in your life unfolds, new opportunities. A new beginning.

Very well put,
I make no secret I wanted "leave" to win.
I do feel we are in for an excellent future.
If just the BBC would stop being so negative.

Gra

 

[Pumpy]

I'm not so sure about that Pumpy where I live sometimes it's like being in a foreign country.

Cultural marxism isn't the only subversive shite going on Chas, ever wonder why immigants seem to cluster in certain areas? If it were natural migration it'd be an even spread in every commuity. When I was growing up in the 70's there were zero immigrants in my infant school, we had one or two in each class in the large secondry school I went to 10 miles from my home address, but the school a mile away from my home was the other way round, only one or two UK born kids in each class. This doesn't happen naturally, divide and conquer.

Don't ever get me going round a campfire with beer involved, I'll never shut up