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Im surprised those calipers dont fit because they look exactly like the ones on my KZJ70 with vented discs. :think:
 
Roger Fairclough said:
Ben.

If you put a suitable spring on the shackle pin, it wont rattle at all.

Roger
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good idea. do you mean with the new brackets, or do you mean thats what i could have done with the original recovery points. :think:

Sam said:
Ben... do you sleep?
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yes 7 hours a night on average, :dance:

i find it frustrating thought that there never seems to be enough hours in the day to get everything i want to get done done. maybe im just impatient. :lol:

ive got so much i want to do to my truck, but i cant spend as much time as id like working on it. :thumbdown:

ModelMakerMan said:
Im surprised those calipers dont fit because they look exactly like the ones on my KZJ70 with vented discs. :think:
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interesting. :think:

id like to be able to use them as there in mint condition with good pads. maybe i should just order some vented discs and try and make them fit.

non vented discs and pads would cost me £50 more than vented. :?

one thing i have discovered which may help me is that apparently 90 series callipers and discs are the same as the vented ones fitted to 3 litre KZJ70's.

cant decided what to do, and i need to hurry up and decide and order what i need so i get the bits before the weekend. :roll:
 
Since my last post at the weekend I have managed to find just enough time to build two thirds of the first drawer! :lol:

But then I did sleep for 8 hours on one of the nights so I can see where I'm losing the time! :roll:

Keep up the good work though fella - it's an inspiration to us lesser mortals! :thumbup:
 
If its right what you say about the 90 series mate. Regarding your text i do have two complete hubs and wishbones etc etc of a 90.

Karl
 
You've got some work on there Ben :)

With regard the 90 series parts fitting the 70, I wonder if the part number crossover check thingy on ToyoDiy would be of any help confirming your thoughts :think:
 
Not definative but interesting all the same :)

Part 43512?35210 (DISC, FRONT) was found on the following models:
Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram

11/1995-07/2002 TOYOTA 4RUNNER RZN18*,VZN18* 43-03: FRONT AXLE HUB
Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
11/1995-06/1998 RZN180L-GKMSKA SR5B, 3RZFE, MTM, 5F 43-03
11/1995-06/1998 RZN180L-GKPSKA SR5B, 3RZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
07/1998-07/2000 RZN185L-GKMSKA SR5B, 3RZFE, MTM, 5F 43-03
11/1995-06/1998 RZN185L-GKPSKA SR5B, 3RZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
11/1995-06/1998 VZN180L-GKPGKA SR5V, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
08/2000-07/2002 VZN180L-GKPSKA SR5B, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
08/2000-07/2002 VZN180L-GKPZKA LULI, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
11/1995-06/1998 VZN185L-GKMGKA SR5V, 5VZFE, MTM, 5F 43-03
08/2000-07/2002 VZN185L-GKPGKA SR5V, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
08/2000-07/2002 VZN185L-GKPSKA SR5B, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03
11/1995-06/1998 VZN185L-GKPZKA LULI, 5VZFE, ATM, 4FC 43-03

04/1996-08/2002 TOYOTA LAND CRUISER KDJ9*,KZJ9*,VZJ9* 43-03: FRONT AXLE HUB
Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ90L-GJMNYW EUR, LHD, 1KDFTV, MTM, 3D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ90L-GJPNYW EUR, LHD, 1KDFTV, ATM, 3D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ90R-GJMNYW EUR, RHD, 1KDFTV, MTM, 3D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ95L-GKMNYW EUR, LHD, 1KDFTV, MTM, 5D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ95L-GKPNYW EUR, LHD, 1KDFTV, ATM, 5D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ95R-GKMNYW EUR, RHD, 1KDFTV, MTM, 5D 43-03
08/2000-08/2002 KDJ95R-GKPNYW EUR, RHD, 1KDFTV, ATM, 5D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ90L-GJMNTW EUR, LHD, 1KZTE, MTM, 3D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ90L-GJPNTW EUR, LHD, 1KZTE, ATM, 3D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ90R-GJMNTW EUR, RHD, 1KZTE, MTM, 3D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ95L-GKMNTW EUR, LHD, 1KZTE, MTM, 5D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ95L-GKPNTW EUR, LHD, 1KZTE, ATM, 5D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 KZJ95R-GKMNTW EUR, RHD, 1KZTE, MTM, 5D 43-03
06/1999-08/2002 KZJ95R-GKPNTW EUR, RHD, 1KZTE, ATM, 5D 43-03
06/1999-08/2002 VZJ90L-GJMNKW EUR, LHD, 5VZFE, MTM, 3D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 VZJ90L-GJPNKW EUR, LHD, 5VZFE, ATM, 3D 43-03
06/1999-08/2002 VZJ95L-GKMNKW EUR, LHD, 5VZFE, MTM, 5D 43-03
06/1999-08/2002 VZJ95L-GKPNKW EUR, LHD, 5VZFE, ATM, 5D 43-03
04/1996-05/1999 VZJ95R-GKPNKW EUR, RHD, 5VZFE, ATM, 5D 43-03
 
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Sam said:
Since my last post at the weekend I have managed to find just enough time to build two thirds of the first drawer! :lol:

But then I did sleep for 8 hours on one of the nights so I can see where I'm losing the time! :roll:

Keep up the good work though fella - it's an inspiration to us lesser mortals! :thumbup:
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:lol:

thanks mate. :thumbup:
 
regarding the 90 series versus 70 series vented discs and callipers..................................

i think i must have been tired and not read what i was seeing properly :roll:

the front brake pads are the same on both models, but im guessing now that that doesnt necessarily mean the callipers are the same. :think:

the rear vented discs are the same on both models, not the front.


http://www.roughtrax4x4.com/?doc=11&cid=1126

still cant decide what to do. :doh:
 
Ben.

The spring is for your new bracket.

I would buy the vented discs. If there is a fit problem due to the discs being slightly to big, you could always machine a small amount of the diameter.

Roger
 
Good work, Ben :thumbup:
My 2c regarding your new recovery points, your new design offers resistance to any lateral forces - i.e. they will be prone to bending if the force isn't perfectly in line with them. As you presumably use a bridle in the front, the forces applied the recovery points will never be in line and will always be at an angle inwards, according to the bridle angle.
Yes, they may be strong enough to resist bending under most loads but the shackle, with its pin firmly in the bracket, will also act as a lever to bend the bracket.
ben said:
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The old pig tail recovery loop is much better suited to forces in different directions, especially as the shackle can rotate in line with the pulling force and not try to bend the loop. Obviously you can make your style of recovery point massive enough not to be the weak link - it will be interesting to see how they stand up to some heavy use, which I am sure you will subject them to! :mrgreen:
 
I can understand where Andrew is coming from, but rolled steel angle is just that, it's forged into shape by the rolling process. The rolled in corner fillet adds enormously to the strength and the section thickness of 12 mm will ensure adequate strength to resist twisting.

But.

The bracket itself may be strong enough, but the load has to go somewhere.

My suggestions would be:-

1) Weld a washer either side of the shackle pin mounting hole to remove most of the slop. These will spread the load over approx twice the surface area.

2) Weld a small plate on top of each bracket to locate and be bolted to the bracket above.

3) Use higher rated bolts throughout. I would use 10 or above.

In this way the load is spread to more points in the chassis rails.

Roger
 
ModelMakerMan said:
Im surprised those calipers dont fit because they look exactly like the ones on my KZJ70 with vented discs. :think:
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What year and model is your KZJ7* ModelMakerMan and I'll look up to see if the discs and calipers from yours cross over to any other vehicles for Ben :)

edit - I've had a quick look at a 1993 VX hard top KZJ70RV-MEXW and ToyoDiy list a solid disc :think:


Part 43512?60100 (DISC, FRONT) was found on the following models:

Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram
01/1990-07/2001 TOYOTA LAND CRUISER BJ73,LJ7*,RJ7*,HZJ7*,PZJ7*,KZJ7* 43-03: FRONT AXLE HUB

Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
05/1993-01/1994 BJ73LV-MPW VM, EUR, HT, LHD, 3B, DSL 43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ70LV-MNW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03?43-03
01/1990-04/1993 HZJ73LV-MNW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ75LP-MRW STD, EUR, PIC, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ75LV-MRW STD, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70L-MRXW STD, EUR, TP, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MRXW STD, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70RV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, RHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70RV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, RHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ73LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ73LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ77LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
01/1990-04/1993 LJ70LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-12/1994 LJ70LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-07/1994 LJ73LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 RJ70LV-MNEW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 22RE, EFI 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 RJ73LV-MNEW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 22RE, EFI 43-03?43-03
 
Repair manual RM 183E Dated Jan.1990 covers the LJ7 series.Rotor thickness is "Light duty rear drum"---11.5 mm minimum. This indicates a solid disc. "Except above model"---18mm minimum. This indicates a vented disc.

Manual supplement RM 346E dated May 1993 covers LJ7 and KZJ7 series. Rotor thickness is 18mm---minimum.

This would indicate that for the UK market, the LJ had solid discs and the KZJ had vented. In neither case was disc diameter mentioned.

As Ben is considering driving to Australia and his motor will be fully loaded, vented discs are the way to go.

Roger
 
Toyo does list a different disc and caliper part number for each of the KZJ70 and LJ70. The schematic for the KZJ70 caliper shows something that appears to be heavier duty than the LJ70 one with the addition of cooling fins, but the image for the disc on both vehicles does come across as being a solid one in each case compared to the image of a vented disc for a KZJ90 that is clearly a vented disc from the picture. So may not be able to just fit the KZJ70 disc to your LJ70 without the KZJ70 caliper as well, assuming that this will fit the LJ70 steering knuckle (Toyos parts crossover suggests that the knuckle is the same on both vehicles and the dust cover come to that).

And there's this look;

The front KZJ70 front disc part comparison shows that it was used and or available for the LJ70 and I've also stumbled over that the LJ70 had different front discs fitted if it had rear discs fitted rather than drum brakes :)

sae70 said:
ModelMakerMan said:
Im surprised those calipers dont fit because they look exactly like the ones on my KZJ70 with vented discs. :think:
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What year and model is your KZJ7* ModelMakerMan and I'll look up to see if the discs and calipers from yours cross over to any other vehicles for Ben :)

edit - I've had a quick look at a 1993 VX hard top KZJ70RV-MEXW and ToyoDiy list a solid disc :think:


Part 43512?60100 (DISC, FRONT) was found on the following models:

Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram
01/1990-07/2001 TOYOTA LAND CRUISER BJ73,LJ7*,RJ7*,HZJ7*,PZJ7*,KZJ7* 43-03: FRONT AXLE HUB

Model Dates: Matching Models: Model Options: Links to diagrams:
05/1993-01/1994 BJ73LV-MPW VM, EUR, HT, LHD, 3B, DSL 43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ70LV-MNW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03?43-03
01/1990-04/1993 HZJ73LV-MNW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ75LP-MRW STD, EUR, PIC, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03
05/1993-07/1999 HZJ75LV-MRW STD, EUR, HT, LHD, 1HZ, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70L-MRXW STD, EUR, TP, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70LV-MRXW STD, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70RV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, RHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ70RV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, RHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ73LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ73LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 KZJ77LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 1KZT, DSL 43-03?43-03
01/1990-04/1993 LJ70LV-MEXW VX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-12/1994 LJ70LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-07/1994 LJ73LV-MNXW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 2LT, DSL 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 RJ70LV-MNEW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 22RE, EFI 43-03?43-03
05/1993-03/1996 RJ73LV-MNEW LX, EUR, HT, LHD, 22RE, EFI 43-03?43-03
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I'm not sure of what the model numbers refer to but its clear that they did fit the same discs to both the KZJ70 and LJ70 at some point :D :thumbup:
 
the recovery points are a copy of the ones they sell in OZ. 8-)

http://macquarie4x4.com.au/index.cfm?pa ... 0Equipment

i will wait and see how they cope with the abuse they will be getting. :twisted:

regarding the brakes! :?

i need to get my truck back together and back on the road, so for now i have ordered solid discs and pads, which i didnt particularly want to do as the vented discs and pads are £60 cheaper.

but if i was to upgrade to the vented callipers aswell, presuming the 4-runner ones ive got wont fit, then that would be another £180! :thumbdown:

new discs and pads should be here tomorrow, and then i can start putting it all back together. :dance:

only thing i need is a fish scale to measure how much resistance there is when ive torqued the lock nuts up 4 times, as per the toyota instructions.

going to follow the procedure word for word! :thumbup:
 
Bens tow points will be stronger than those Aussie ones as they appear to be 6mm plate welded into a "L" shape, and as such, inferior to 12mm rolled steel angle.

Roger
 
thanks Roger. :thumbup:

did a bit more today. 8-)

finally started getting some filler on the dent.

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removed the off side hub so i can remove the old disc and fit the new one when it comes.

looks like the rear seal may have been letting water in. :cry:

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got the hub inside and on the bench and removed both the bearings, and the disc, and gave everything a good clean.

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made a start on cutting the rear bumper up.

so i laid the bumper on the bench.

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and spent a while looking at it trying to decide what to do. my idea was to taper all the edges down, but i soon realised this wouldnt be possible, because of the hole where the exhaust comes out.

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clamped a straight edge to it and started cutting.

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no going back now.

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and did the other side.

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decided to use a piece of 4" plate that was destined for the second steering guard.

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got the 2 end pieces cut and got one of them welded on.

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my plan is to get the rear quarter filled and sanded this week and saturday, and while im waiting for filler to dry, fit all the new bearings and brakes.

sunday im hoping to take the truck to my mates and get the damaged area painted! :thumbup:
 
Ben.

Yes, your outer dust seal has probably worn out. Milners do a replacement that should be adequate. It's not the best quality and needs a degree of fettling to get a decent fit, but it's cheap enough. Polish the rust off the hub and fill the space with a waterproof grease. This should protect the inner grease seal. If you get a Milners seal and when fitted it appears to be tight, torque the bearings to the max. limit in the manual.

Roger
 
thanks Roger. :)

the seal that i suspect has leaked and allowed water ingress was from milners and fitted approximately 6 months ago.

but..........................i never followed the toyota instructions for fitting bearings and certainly didnt use a torque wrench, so i guess its possible that the seal got damaged during fitting due to my incompetence! :oops:

anyway....................just incase the seals from milners are in fact 5h1t, i decided to call my local toyota dealer for a price.

i got the part number from toyodiy as i know the miserable old git in my local dealer parts department hates having to look through the pics to find the correct part number.

so i gave them a call with the part number and asked for a price.

£72 for 2 seals! :shock: :thumbdown:

so i will be sticking with the £4.20 milner ones for the time being! :clap:

http://www.milneroffroad.com/toyota-uk/ ... seal-front
 
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