The people have spoken

goodoldboy Nov 28, 2018

  1. moggy1968

    moggy1968 Well-Known Member

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    I think that rather depends on whether you’re talking politically or geographically.:wink: But I shall bow to your wishes and call it the Republic of Ireland if you like :blush:
     
  2. Bob

    Bob Well-Known Member Supporter I am in ireland

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    :grimacing::grimacing: It’s not geographically correct either... and I’m a geography teacher.... ( on lunch at the moment!) but anyway.. potayto potaato


    Oops... I shouldn’t mention potatoes...:tonguewink:
     
  3. chadr

    chadr Well-Known Member I am in england

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    Unashamedly plagiarised from elsewhere.....

    "As Theresa May says, 'If someone says they want to commit suicide then it's important that they follow through. Under no circumstances should they be given the opportunity to change their minds, even if they don't want to do it any more, we should just get it over with. And what's true for individuals is true for countries'. At least I think I heard her say that, though I may have been reading between the lines."
     
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  4. moggy1968

    moggy1968 Well-Known Member

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    Don’t mention the potatoes!!!
    And don’t mention going south of the border either!
    Please can you send rob a map!:laughing-rolling:
     
  5. moggy1968

    moggy1968 Well-Known Member

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  6. chapel gate

    chapel gate Well-Known Member Supporter Promoted Company I am in england

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    no worries.
    allow me to reciprocate the gesture.

    the UK pays into the EU many more billions than it gets back. the richer members pay in more to prop up the poorer members.
    yes, I have seen the "funded by the EU" posters. as you say, normally in poorer ex industrial areas of the UK.

    this is propaganda.

    scientist in general don't like to be involved in politics. they are interested in science and the good of science. sharing knowledge through peer review. sharing knowledge increases there own knowledge.

    we have some pretty good universities in the UK..

    on the contrary. investment should come to create a competitive advantage.

    this is the fundamental problem with "bottom line business" as I call it. accountants who don't understand the ins and outs of a business. merely looking at figures. sure, a healthy profit needs to be made for obvious reasons. too many profit making british firms have been destroyed by asset strippers and greedy, self serving, short term thinking people.
    GKN a recent example.

    sure, cheaper labour can be found elsewhere. sack all of your british work force and move production overseas. increase your profit by blah blah %.
    wreck a community in the process. put a percentage of the said ex workforce on benefits for the rest of there lives. the rest have to now do a 30 mile commute to there new lower payed job in the next town. they have less free capital to spend and put back into the economy. there are now a greater number of cars on the road increasing congestion and harmful emissions. NHS spending on respiratory diseases increases by 6%. in the mean time the 3 local firms that provided components have gone into liquidation, a percentage of there ex workforce are now on benefits...…
    mean while the new cheaper product is being shipped from the other side of the world via bunker fuel. it is made by 13 year olds working 12 hours a day in a country with a very suspect human rights record and a even more suspect environmental policy.

    its all good though. the bottom line has increased by 12%...

    the apprenticeship. an investment in the youth of the country to not only provide them with a skilled worthwhile job that they have a sense of pride in, on a lot of occasions following in there fathers footsteps, but also to provide industry with the skill set that it requires.
    what you say is indeed true. yet more short term thinking and underinvestment. it also creates resentment towards the skilled migration.

    regarding local government revenues. I agree to a certain extent, but ridiculous business rates don't help. we chose super markets over local produce and goods from the butcher, greengrocer and ironmonger.
    on line retail is here to stay. they should be paying there fair share of revenue. another issue of being dominated by large foreign corporations that the UK government seems afraid of upsetting.

    "Yep, it seems like it's going to self-level like a bucket of sh!t... just before it tips over you"

    that's your opinion. you are entitled to it.
     
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  7. moggy1968

    moggy1968 Well-Known Member

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    Have a look at my response to the same in the previous page :thumbup:
     
  8. Shayne

    Shayne Well-Known Member Guru

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    So zero competition within the EU itself , handy that they could then match prices to wages ensuring nobody can afford to take a day off . What next , compulsory euthanasia for the unprofitable people or state enforced steroids to up productivity , without democracy world domination would be so easy wouldn't it , well it would be were it not for cavalier cowboys with Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1945 like capabilities who object to being dictated to by fanatics who's power is entirely self assumed .
     
  9. chapel gate

    chapel gate Well-Known Member Supporter Promoted Company I am in england

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    I missed it at first.
    :text-goodpost:could have almost written it myself..:)
     
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  10. Shayne

    Shayne Well-Known Member Guru

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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/11/england-brexit-broken-neoliberalism

    The guy who can reel of the names of closed-down factories like you might your football team’s greatest all-time , is he in Remainer's eyes , uneducated , racist , xenophobic , whatever else Brexit supporters are repeatedly called - or is he just plain angry .

    Perhaps he might be consoled if someone where to give him an address where he could send a letter of complaint . Starting -

    To whom it may concern on a galaxy far far away
     
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  11. Paddler Ed

    Paddler Ed Well-Known Member I am in australia

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    I used to work in local government (Blackpool) until 2010; at that time and after just a few years of Tory austerity you could see the impact it was having. Blackpool was interesting because to the south the Fylde area was quite prosperous, but north of South Pier it was a mixed bag, right the way through to the Fleetwood area.

    What would revitalise an area like that? In all honesty, I don't know - the re-emergence of TVR would have been one that would have helped the Bispham area, but the rest of the town had such a high level of depravation (and a very nasty undercurrent, to the extent that there was a child protection/exploitation team permanently based in the police station) and social divide it was always going to be a challenge.

    However, at the same time, the decline was such a long running process dating back to the rise of other destinations and the changing nature of destinations that were popular. It also struggled to attract passing trade because of it's location - it wasn't on the way to anywhere really, so it was a terminal destination as such.

    Is Brexit going to help avoid a further lurch to the right and even more "free" trade agreements so beloved of the neoliberals? I don't think so; I think it will be closer to the greed is good model...
     
  12. Shayne

    Shayne Well-Known Member Guru

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    I agree Ed its between a rock and a hard place

    its not profitable to buy all the workers new boots and give them a Sunday off each month , so it will never happen - until the workers say they've had enough and so make profit impossible . What are the options then ?

    It took a while for it to dawn on me when i spent a weekend drinking in Blackpool last year that every single person i met there including bar staff , tower staff , hotel , cafe owners , shops , staff every one at work had a British accent , i have no idea if it indicates anything but there was something very surreal about the realization ?

    Great weekend though i can't imagine a friendlier place .
     
  13. Shayne

    Shayne Well-Known Member Guru

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    Maybe Carney has the answer to my last question

    "Britain could lead the world into a new era of democracy and free trade, using the Brexit revolt against the establishment as a springboard to making the global order more cooperative, accountable and prosperous, according to the Governor of the Bank of England.

    The current system of global trade has key flaws including wealth and income inequality, a lack of democracy and trust, and serious financial imbalances, Mark Carney warned on Tuesday."
     
  14. moggy1968

    moggy1968 Well-Known Member

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    It was an interesting statement as he was hardline remain
     
  15. chapel gate

    chapel gate Well-Known Member Supporter Promoted Company I am in england

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    good article until the dog whistle bit...
    I live near stoke on trent. I was recently working on the twyfords factory. correction. the factory was in the process of being demolished to make way for shoebox houses. I was working in the offices. twyfords was established in 1849. now the germans own the company. the offices and warehouse were being kept as a storage and distribution centre for the new made in germany and Poland goods. the entire factory workforce had been layed off.
    I was speaking to one of the English managers about the wind down operation and I said what a shame it was that yet another household name, 150 year old plus company had gone to the wall. "nah, im getting a golden handshake and early retirement out of it" was the reply.
    I also got speaking to one of the new german managers. he was telling me about the new factory in germany. "clay goes in one end and a toilet comes out of the other, without being touched by a human hand"..
     
  16. Towpack

    Towpack Well-Known Member Supporter I am in england

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    Twyfords is just another of many and more will follow no doubt. It’s the dreaded three P’s, productivity, performance, prfotability in an attempt to satisfy the “we want everything, we want it cheap and we want it now” lifestyle of most of the Western world. If a bad Brexit means shortages of certain goods and produce then maybe it’ll be a lesson for us all.
     
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