The people have spoken

[goodoldboy]

wonder if they were coerced or bribed or both

You don't seriously believe in some vast conspiracy do you? I've said this before on this thread , any business that exports to Europe will see it's profits disappear in a no deal scenario

 

[moggy1968]

For those that advocate the Kamikaze/suicide bomber no deal....
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/no-deal-brexit-panic-grips-major-uk-firms

Dyson reported that his decision isn’t to do with brexit, and he has history of moving his operations overseas to cut costs. Last time I checked Singapore was not in the EU. They have also stated this is part of an ongoing plan and will not impact U.K. jobs.
I’m surprised at Bentley given that most of their sale are outside the EU. The only other significant one is Sony. It’s a rather OTT headline once you actually get into the detail, as always.
Whenever there is a big change there will be winners and losers, especially in the short term. A no deal brexit is not desirable for anyone, but then mays pants down deal was even worse. If the EU are going to be such araeholes about it then unfortunately it will be painful. So be it.

 

[moggy1968]

You don't seriously believe in some vast conspiracy do you?

yes

 

[flint]

While we're all distracted by leaving the EU or not, this might be handy reading:

 

[Rob Cowell]

 

[Shayne]

You don't seriously believe in some vast conspiracy do you?

YES .

And i'm voting not for me , i can only suffer , not for our kids , but so their kids might have some other options besides being owned from cradle to grave by some megalomaniac faceless multinational company who will likely deduct rent and all bills direct from wages leaving the workers only a coupon which can only be spent on leisure items dictated from on high .

Please tell us your vision of the EU's rosy future

 

[moggy1968]

YES .

And i'm voting not for me , i can only suffer , not for our kids , but so their kids might have some other options besides being owned from cradle to grave by some megalomaniac faceless multinational company who will likely deduct rent and all bills direct from wages leaving the workers only a coupon which can only be spent on leisure items dictated from on high .

Please tell us your vision of the EU's rosy future

Likewise, in the short term over March and April I will lose about £4000 of earnings. As I detailed before it’s also hit my pension. People moan about old people being selfish and voting leave, but actually they’re the ones that will be amongst the hardest hit if they have a private pension.
The Lisbon treaty makes scary reading, the amount of control the EU wants is truly frightening. I’m all for a European body to promote trade and movement, which is what the predecessors of the EU were about (well, and de Gaulle trying to rebuild France’s empire), what it should not be is the highly politicised monster it has become.
It’s always tough leaving an abusive relationship, will you cope alone, breaking the familiar no matter how awful the familiar is, and of course the threats ‘you’ll never survive alone, if I can’t have you no one else will, if you leave I’m gonna fuck you up’ but if you’re brave, and you make that move, of course it will be difficult in the short term, change often is, but in the long term you’ll look back and say to yourself ‘thank fuck I got out of that’

 

[Chas]

Of course if we do leave we will have buggered our chances of ever winning the Eurovision Song Contest.

 

[moggy1968]

Of course if we do leave we will have buggered our chances of ever winning the Eurovision Song Contest.

That is definitely the worst aspect, especially as our chances are so good!!

 

[goodoldboy]

being owned from cradle to grave by some megalomaniac faceless multinational

So the UK when outside the EU will get rid of multinationals , grasping politicians & unaccountable bureaucrats? Anything of any worth was sold off to the same corporations decades ago.the fact that a politician can repeatedly endorse a lie that's literally painted in six foot high letters on the side of a bus & get away with it speaks vomit for this whole mess.
The conspiracy thing is ludicrous but also a dangerous delusion.if it exists to the extent that you believe then you are completely powerless to change anything , let alone by simply voting - why didn't "they" simply manipulate the results into a landslide.
My vision of the EU is something like Moggy mentioned , a loose federation that regulated trade & some other aspects of our relationship with each other.
I can agree with a lot of the criticism of the eu but my main problem with Brexit is that most of the charges against it are false & the cure won't really change anything for ordinary folks.

 

[Shayne]

I seen it mentioned somewhere the EU has decided to order every front door letterbox must be a set height . And my trust in the EU assumes suitable doors have already been produced in China for next to nothing and will be sold by Germany for around £1500 a piece , its good for jobs and productivity don't you know

But regardless of this who has the right to tell me i must spend MY disposable income on a door i don't want to change anyway ?

so go ahead and tell me its all for the greater good of some shit nobody wants .

 

[MarkW]

this would presumably be the recent article in the news about the CWU campaigning for letter boxes to be a standard height? A campaign they started in 1958, and recently supported in parliament by MP Vicky Ford to adopt the EU standard.

If so its not being forced on anyone by the EU, its a campaign by a UK workers Union to adopt the height suggested in a standard (not legislation) in order to protect postman from back injury and dog bites

 

[Rob Cowell]

I seen it mentioned somewhere the EU has decided to order every front door letterbox must be a set height .

You have been misinformed. There is no set height. There is a European standard but it is a guideline; letterboxes to be a minimum 70cm on new builds - no effect on existing letter boxes; minimum height, not fixed. Any implementation is the choice of national parliaments.

A British MP is trying to introduce this because it saves posties bending down at every door. Which seems sensible, but I'm sure it's really a plot to put plucky British osteopaths out of work.

It actually got a bit of news coverage because it was the one bill debated on the same day as the no-confidence vote in the government the week before last. As ever, Hansard has the gory detail. https://hansard.parliament.uk/commo...5B204C4B6C5/Low-LevelLetterBoxes(Prohibition)

 

[moggy1968]

So the UK when outside the EU will get rid of multinationals , grasping politicians & unaccountable bureaucrats? Anything of any worth was sold off to the same corporations decades ago.the fact that a politician can repeatedly endorse a lie that's literally painted in six foot high letters on the side of a bus & get away with it speaks vomit for this whole mess.
The conspiracy thing is ludicrous but also a dangerous delusion.if it exists to the extent that you believe then you are completely powerless to change anything , let alone by simply voting - why didn't "they" simply manipulate the results into a landslide.
My vision of the EU is something like Moggy mentioned , a loose federation that regulated trade & some other aspects of our relationship with each other.
I can agree with a lot of the criticism of the eu but my main problem with Brexit is that most of the charges against it are false & the cure won't really change anything for ordinary folks.

Sure there is corruption in British politics, why do you think companies like crapita manage to survive and get all those contracts, how do you think g4s got the prison contract (because the then Tory party chairman was a director in case you’re wondering), why do you think they are trying to privatise the NHS, nothing to do with the fact 70mps have a financial interest in private healthcare providers I’m sure!
The EU is no different, policy is made by large corporations lobbying behind closed doors. To deny it goes on is stunningly naive.

 

[goodoldboy]

The EU is no different

Agreed.mixed metaphor time.I'm of the frying pan/fire , better off in the tent pissing out school of thought.

 

[moggy1968]

Agreed.mixed metaphor time.I'm of the frying pan/fire , better off in the tent pissing out school of thought.

The fundamental problem is, they’re all fucking bent! The whole political system is rotten.

 

[goodoldboy]

The fundamental problem is, they’re all fucking bent! The whole political system is rotten.

Yep that's about it IMO.My fear is that the scale of ignorance around Brexit allows these spivs free reign.

 

[moggy1968]

Yep that's about it IMO.My fear is that the scale of ignorance around Brexit allows these spivs free reign.

As does project fear I’m afraid. They are all just feeding their own self interest

 

[MarkW]

Brexit won't change it one little bit

 

[Bob]

I know I look at this with my Irish hat on.. but having read hundreds of comments in various places about Brexit, it's alarming how ignorant so many (predominantly English) people are of apart of their own country/union. I've seen stuff like, 'why can't the Irish just stay out of it?' and 'who cares about the Irish and the EU, they created this mess'
Our parliament celebrated 100 years since it's first sitting this week. Our once vast oak forests had been torn down to build British naval ships. Our farmland had been walled into huge landlord estates, and our capital city run into destitution with tenements and ghettos left to their own devices. It took a further 80 years to remove British military presence from the boundary on this island.
For a group of people whose ancestry is almost entirely composed of land-conquering imperialists, it's rich to be making such a fuss about being 'controlled' by others. The arrogance of some quarters is astounding.

I am by no means holding the EU up as perfect. But I'm glad that our big brother is watching our back as our neighbour lights a fire in its own living room

*Edit... I should clarify, that is not aimed at anybody here on this thread, more an observation across social media